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Vice President Harris boasts a 13-point lead over former President Trump among women voters in a new poll, a notable edge with a major voting bloc that could be critical for her ticket in November.

An Economist/YouGov poll taken this week found 51 percent of women who are registered voters said they support Harris, while 38 percent backed her Republican rival. On the other hand, Trump, who has struggled with women voters, saw a 7-point lead among men.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 107 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I was going to say, 13 points ahead of a literal rapist who actively fights against women's autonomy is not enough points ahead.

maybe those are the early numbers.

[–] Zacpod@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

Ya, only 13 points is disappointing.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 70 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)
[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 60 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

It's because the Republicans have a structural advantage due to the electoral college. So Democrats need a larger margin in the popular vote to win enough seats, whereas Republicans can win even without winning the popular vote (as they did in 2016).

[–] grue@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The Republicans have an additional structural advantage this year, as they are perpetrating massive acts of sabotage against the election system itself by inserting election deniers into positions of control over it. Between that, their control of the House, and control of SCOTUS, anything short of a Harris landslide could give them an opening to sow enough confusion and doubt to steal the presidency.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A Harris landslide victory will not stop what’s about to be attempted. I know we’re just a few months away from this but I need people to be ready for what they’re about to see.

Things will start before the election with disinformation but on the actual day of election, it will be worse than last time. People will show up armed to polling places, possibly harass voters. I wouldn’t be surprised if a few of these locations are shut down due to attacks. It will be something the US hasn’t seen before probably. If you don’t believe me, last time all this stuff happened they were unprepared. This time they aren’t.

Then shortly after the votes are cast on the day of and the following day, these actions will continue as people attack polling stations, ballot counters, and frenzy around the numbers if Trump loses. Legal battles will begin almost immediately in an attempt to slow things down.

It’s a long road to January from there. And expect it to be equally as awful. But ultimately, they will absolutely try to attack our system of confirmation. Fake electors will be lined up, legal challenges mounted, so many tactics will be deployed. You think project 2025 is bad? That’s what they’ll publish folks, imagine what they won’t. The election after an attempted insurrection is the most important one you’ll ever vote in and isn’t a time to relax.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly! The alarm isn't being raised about this anywhere near as loudly as it needs to be. I don't know if it's because the Republicans successfully poisoned the well on talking about election fraud or if the neoliberals are still in denial, but we're sleepwalking ~~into another~~ through an ongoing coup attempt and appear to be doing basically fuck-all about it!

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One point is commanding but four points are narrow?

[–] Corvid@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s the joke. The New York Times are a bunch of chodes trying to sell you the narrative that Dems are unpopular.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

It also speaks to the manipulation by the media. But, when Obama says that it will be close, it's more than just a motivator. Don't trust general polls. Look at each state poll.

[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you're a woman and you're voting for Trump, you ain't a woman.

-Sincerely

A woman

[–] aniki@lemmings.world 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you're a human and you're voting for Trump, you're barely hanging on.

-Sincerely

A human.

[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I would probably say that if you're voting for trump. You're either a bigot, cultist, or the most gullible person in the world. Some sort of combination of all 3.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

No wonder the right still grumbles about how letting women vote was a mistake.

Meanwhile, men - WTAF? Why would so many go for dementia donOLD?

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Watching "men" idolize Trump has to be the weakest thing I've ever seen. He isn't strong, intelligent, gentile, or even remotely alpha in presentation or action.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago

He's a weak man's idea of a strong man, and an idiot's idea of a genius

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

He is one of the most fragile cowards on the planet. He cannot handle even the slightest criticism. He's lazy as fuck and constantly watching TV or golfing.

And those are things that only come into focus ince you get past the parts where he is literally a rapist, insurrectionist, and con man. It is beyond comprehension that anyone considers him with any amount of respect whatsoever.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

The answer, as always with extremism, comes back to indoctrination, disenfranchisement, and finally, radicalization.

There have been tons of studies in this, but at a high level, men are indoctrinated by constantly being put under a lens of toxic masculinity by their peer groups and male role models.

Then they become disenfranchised from "mainstream" ideals, not hard to do with the mental health crisis and wealth disparity we see in the world every day. Or the simpler method of being raised in a small community (a church or small town) where such progressive ideas are frowned upon and demonized.

And finally, they search for meaning and inclusion in an 'in group'. This is natural human behavior, and is preyed upon by a laundry list of bad actors who are all too happy to offer answers, meaning, and most of all, some nebulous group to blame and attack for your problems. This step in particular has become easier and easier for more extreme groups with the advent of the internet.

It's a vicious cycle. And that's not to say the victims here are blameless, because of course they made their choices along the way, but they are indeed victims.

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[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Who knew denigrating women would make them not want to vote for you?

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Clearly not enough women are willing to stand up for their rights, frankly. How the hell is it only a 14 point lead? I get that's a big lead, but I'd expect an 80 point lead given what we know about Republicans/Trump and women's bodily autonomy.

[–] aniki@lemmings.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Racism. But I'm just restating your point.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 37 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't know how Trump is not at 0.00 percent with women. Just blows my mind that any woman would vote for Trump at this point.

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

The other day I saw a car with a Rosie the Riveter bumper sticker next to Trump 2024 sticker.

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[–] flicker@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lemme say, personally, as an older woman, Hillary absolutely didn't capture me. I still remember when she blamed video games for society's problems. I grew up being underwhelmed by her. I voted and all but my point is if I had to make myself do it, there were lots of women I knew who wouldn't bother.

Harris is sounding more and more like someone I'm excited to vote for. You can't buy that. I am unsurprised she's leading with women now.

[–] CheeryLBottom@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

As an older woman, those were my thoughts exactly. While I voted for Hillary, I didn't feel confident about it. I'm very excited to be voting for Kamala Harris

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech 22 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I'm glad Trump hasn't stepped down. A more conventional candidate would quite possibly beat Harris but his continuous blunders are paving the way towards the first female president of the US. It's unfortunate that he's been allowed one term but after he showed what he's like, with him as the alternative a woman has a great fighting chance. I believe Kamala wins and will come across as competent, and we are going to see more women as state leaders worldwide.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

May as well give the women a chance. They can’t fuck it up worse than the men. AOC on deck.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

AOC on deck.

Please, please let me have the chance to vote for her before old age takes me. Please!

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech 7 points 3 weeks ago

That's the point. Dissatisfaction drives change, change drives paradigm shifts. We need a young president again.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

OK, but that's exactly what Democrats said in 2016 about Hillary.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In 2016 Trump was an untested leader and Republicans had been spewing propaganda against Hillary for two decades.

While nothing is certain, I'm cautiously optimistic that things will turn out differently this time.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm hopeful, too, but I would rather Trump be in prison than be the Republican nominee, even if it means Harris faces a "tougher" opponent.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That would be nice. I'd like to see the electoral college get unscrewed first though.

The last two presidents who took office after losing the popular vote were unmitigated disasters.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

In 2016 Trump was an untested leader and Republicans had been spewing propaganda against Hillary for two decades.

Not to mention 8 years of resentment from people who watched the '08 primaries, and she decided to top up the resentment in the '16 primaries.

Harris isn't going out of her way to piss off the left like Clinton did. And she has the sense to campaign in swing states.

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[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Harris is a better candidate than Hillary but I agree with you, her polls look great relative to how Biden was doing but objectively it's still extremely close. Between that and all the cheating avenues the republicans have I still think odds are in favour of Trump becoming president again.

The next cycle of polls will give a clue as to if the momentum shift keeps going. Trump has had a couple of disastrous weeks and seems to be spiralling a bit (and notably low-energy), but we all know his base is so secure that he probably won't lose any voters over it. Also he will regain the RFK voters soon, which is bad news for Harris.

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[–] tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not a Republican, but I was genuinely curious to see Nikki Haley as the primary.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Nikki Haley is in the best possible position for a Republican right now.

If Harris wins and Trump's trials go forward, making him a non-factor 4 years from now, she can run in 2028 on a platform of making a clean break from the Trump years, and give the Republicans a fresh image to run against an incumbent Harris.

Yet she hasn't really burned all of her MAGA bridges, and if Trump wins his 2nd term, she can definitely still also run in 2028, particularly if VP Vance turns out to be as much of a dud as we all think he will.

And she's only 52. She has been in the national spotlight since Trump made her UN Ambassador, and has proven herself competent enough to do that job without getting pulled directly into Trump World. As long as she continues to display the competence that the rest of the party lacks, she will be the Republican nominee eventually. If she misses in 2028, she will have at least 2 more election cycles of relevancy.

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[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Assuming a 50/50 split between men and women, that equates to +3.5 for Trump vs +6.5 for Harris ASSUMING EVERYONE VOTES

SO GO VOTE

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I would make an appeal to men to sleep in.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ignore the polling and just vote. We haven't won until we've won.

The odds look fantastic but there's always the chance a lot of people simply shrug it off and consider the election already over due to the odds looking to be so overwhelmingly in her favor. Don't be like that. Go out and vote unless you want dementia donnie to slip back in.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Current polling still puts DonOLD in the lead for the Electoral College. Odds are NOT fantastic, but are improving. Need to keep the pressure on for sure.

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[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Really shows how brainwashed women on the religious right and racist right are.

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