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He may not be in office, but Donald Trump has been speaking with the powers that be about Israel’s war on Gaza—but it’s not in an effort to end the genocide.

Instead, Trump has allegedly been talking with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avert a cease-fire deal, fearing that doing so could help Vice President Kamala Harris win in November, according to PBS.

“The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the Prime Minister of Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now, because it’s believed that would help the Harris campaign,” said PBS’s Judy Woodruff Monday night. “So, I don’t know where—who knows whether that will come about or not, but I have to think that the Harris campaign would like for President Biden to do what presidents do, and that’s to work on that one.”

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 339 points 3 weeks ago (20 children)

Everyone who says "They're both equally bad. I refuse to vote for either candidate because they both support genocide" can shut the fuck up now.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 119 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I strongly suspect most of the people pushing that particular line aren't eligible to vote... in American elections, that is.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 55 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I don't, I know what it was like to be an optimistic young adult. I understand the allure of holding strong to an ethical code while others' compromises seem to make the progress all too slow.

The truth is that this shit takes time and requires a lot of pressure - and that's a fucking bitter pill to swallow.

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Some of them no doubt, a lot of them are younger voters that are just sick of their country never having been sliding down into more and more blatant evil for their entire lives.

[–] Dramaking37@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

Or ones who don't understand propaganda when they see it

[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 55 points 3 weeks ago

They could have also shut the fuck up at any point previous, but we’ll accept “now” as well.

[–] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 35 points 3 weeks ago

THANK YOU. Jesus fucking Christ thank you. I'm so sick of this shit

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What are you talking about? My close friend from Texas Oblast who owns a barbecuing shop says this all the time!

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[–] khan_shot_1st@lemmy.world 192 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

I'm really tired of Trump not being in prison.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 64 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I’m really tired of Trump not being in prison.

Yes, but I'm more tired of realizing he will never be in prison. There's not a judge in the country that seems willing to do more than make him fork over a little of his pocket lint. And if it's ever more than that, it's still going to be an ankle bracelet and a 1% lifestyle.

One justice system for the rich and powerful, another for the rest of us.

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[–] snooggums@midwest.social 43 points 3 weeks ago

It would be great if nature took its course because the legal system never fucking will.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 153 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think the last Republican presidential candidate to sabotage peace talks to help his own campaign was Richard Nixon in the Vietnam War, so Trump is just continuing their tradition of killing innocents for personal gain.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 105 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Reagan sabotaged the Iran hostages deal

So it is rumored

And those are only the ones we know of; dealing in death is pretty standard fare for people high up in Washington

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

Bruh. Reagan.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 110 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Throwback to Reagan’s team intentionally sabotaging negotiations for the Iran hostage crisis, so it would make Jimmy Carter look bad right before the election.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago

With Roger fucken Stone lurking in the background in both situations.

[–] Gumbyyy@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks.

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[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 83 points 3 weeks ago
[–] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 74 points 3 weeks ago (86 children)

The "genocide Joe" crowd is deafeningly silent on this development, i see. How surprising.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Dachau Donald? Treblinka Trump?

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[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 72 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

They didn't jail Nixon or that shitbag kissenger for the same shit, doubt anything will be done about this. Hell, both of those asshats got to live out their years rubbing elbows and "advising" the political elite of both parties.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago
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[–] Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Didn't Nixon do the same thing with the Vietnam war?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 79 points 3 weeks ago

And Regan with Iran hostages. It's almost like Republicans always pull this shit and never get in trouble for it...

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[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online 66 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Woohoo maybe this time there will be consequences since he is not president and it can't be an official act ...

[–] WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How has that worked out so far?

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

Let's find out in 5 years.

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[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 61 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Wow, if only there was something we could do about people crossing legal lines. Alas, we have tried nothing and are out of ideas.

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[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

The Logan Act was passed in 1799. A grand total of two people were charged with violating it, and none were convicted.

Those fun facts are never going to change. Prosecutors should find something else to charge Trump with, it won't be hard.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 30 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We can always change the traditions

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 49 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

How about the media stop using caveats like "may have" when shit is entirely 100% clear.

There are laws on the books regarding things like this. There is no may have. It's cut and fucking dried.

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[–] julysfire@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There has been no consequences to his actions so of course he is going to do whatever he wants.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

He's got what, 34 federal crime convictions?

He's still running around and the media is still treating him like some random dude running for president, oh look what crazy don said seven times today!

Shits ridiculous

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[–] rainynight65 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wouldn't be the first time he has 'crossed legal lines'.

However, wouldn't it be great if it was the last time?

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Netanyahu revealing which part of the US he's really an "ally" of. Maybe stop giving blank checks to a foreign power destabilizing your country ~~while you only hand out loans and debt to Ukraine~~?

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago

nail him for treason

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago

I'll believe it when he's in jail. This orange turd is practically made of as slipperonium.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

and nothing will happen, like every other time he "crossed legal lines"

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[–] Juigi@lemm.ee 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump could punt a baby across a field and nothing would happen.

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Supreme court: "To ensure that babies are put in their place, former presidents must enjoy total infant punting immunity."

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[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

“I did encourage him to get this over with. You want to get it over with fast. Have victory, get your victory, and get it over with. It has to stop, the killing has to stop,” Trump said at a New Jersey press conference on Thursday, referring to their meeting at Mar-a-Lago last month. But he also criticized cease-fire demands.

In other words Trump wants to have a quick genocide. That is the only way to stop the killing, without having a ceasefire. Even Biden was a hell of a lot better then this.

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