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[–] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 117 points 5 days ago

Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 75 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Why isn't anybody voting for us"

[–] frazw@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I think the question they ask is more like "why are people voting for the other side?" ...leading to "we need to be more like them"

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The problem is theres nothing on our side. Our choices are right of center and so far right they fell off the graph.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

There's also the choice of doing what Bernie did, and build up an alternative from the local level, but that would require people to realise that politics aren't restricted to TV-level races nor snooze for 4 years.

If Americans did that in large scale they could to the democratic party the reverse of what the tea party did to the republican party.

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

The Democratic party hates Bernie though. Theyran so hard against him back in '16 and '20. I swear the Democrats would rather lose to a Republican than run an actual left candidate.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That's because there are only a handful of "Bernies". A party is not a monolithical block, it's the sum of it's members, and the centrists end up being in charge because they are the ones that end up representing the party at most levels. If you want to shift the balance you need leftists to run for school boards, and city halls, and build from there by starting taking over the state committees and DNC members elected by each state (which in turn control the DNC).

If even the most extreme of the extreme right managed to do it in the republican party, there's no reason why a moderate left movement couldn't do it in the democratic party - if anything I would expect it to be easier.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The rightward shift of the GOP and the tendency of the seemingly infinite number of spineless Dem careerist politicians to seek compromise is very real, but please remember the 90s and 2000s, everyone. They were not as rosy and left-wing as you remember; while not nearly enough, the Dems are notably more left than they were then.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (6 children)

In the larger picture the rightward trend is kind of true on economic fronts.

But yeah, since the 90s we've slowly moved left.

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[–] USNWoodwork@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This fails to recognize that for a very long time things trended left. I remember talking to someone in the 90s and we went down a list of major issues and the left had essentially won on all of them. Roe vs Wade EPA Gay Marriage Welfare Reform and Child Tax Credits

My hope for the Democratic party is that they go to a single issue for the next National election, and that issue should be Anti-trust/Breaking up monopolies

[–] brianary@startrek.website 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

That's an important issue, but if Democrats ever see power again, it'll be important to focus on re-enfranchisement (RCV, instant runoff, or anything fairer than FPTP; NPVIC; national mail voting; mandatory voting), on judicial reform to undo the corruption and incompetence that has been packed there. Without those, keeping any gains will be impossible.

Then, triaging existential threats is critical, which will mean fighting climate change, investing in public transport (trains), and breaking up trusts will have to be pursued simultaneously. Stopping any support for genocide needs to happen as soon as possible.

There will be plenty more structural changes to fix beyond that: Protecting whistleblowers and protesters, improving FOIA, replacing norms with laws (Emoluments Clause enforcement, financial records disclosure, no insider trading for Congressmembers, &c), and all manner of civil rights protections and police reform.

After all that, it'll be time for the stuff I've been hoping for: nationalizing healthcare and Internet access, and copyright reform.

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[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 4 points 4 days ago

Things should be progressing no? that's the whole point of being the "progressive party"

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

You'd need to explain how this helps the average person.

Bearing in mind that these employers have hundreds of thousands of people working for them, you would need to somehow ensure that people aren't voting for a spike in unemployment.

FWIW I don't disagree at all, but how would this be implemented in practice, and how would it be framed as a good thing for those employed by those companies?

[–] Zier@fedia.io 30 points 4 days ago

Always reach across the isle and punch nazis.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

not saying i disagree, but people always link this article as though it even has a section on partisan politics. it doesn’t, or really even pose any evidence that suggests the effect applies to the overton window. would be curious if there are any sources that pose evidence.

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

The Overton Window is set in an abandoned lot. The house burned down a long time ago.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago (4 children)

just playin' the long game. won't be long now and it will loop around to the far left.

[–] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So, everyone's hoping for the bit overflow

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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Yup, we just need to accelerate and we totally won't end up in a fascist dystopia

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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This could mean that there’s room on the left for a brand new party.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Only if America will implement proportional representation

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It could if we weren't locked into a two party system.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean, if there ever was a time for a grass roots growing of a third party, it would be NOW, not a year before the election with Putin-stooge Jill Stein.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yes, but please voting reform at the same time. I do not enjoy this rollercoaster where we vassals of the US cross our fingers and hope the nut jobs don't get into power.

And then they do.

Please for the love of God, make voting reform the number one issue above all else, because it affects all else.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

I can agree with that, but I'm not sure it will happen. And like most people I'm too busy trying to keep a non-negative balance in the checkbook to do much about it.

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 4 points 4 days ago

There are plenty of people trying but it is clearly not working

[–] prototact@programming.dev 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Frankly the people are the ones moving further to the right because the state does not educate them and regulate corporate power, transforming the public into a myopic panicked herd.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That's actually false. When it comes to policy preferences, the actual electorate swings pretty far left compared to the right wing and far right parties they can choose between. Universal health care, parental leave, paid sick leave, higher minimum wage all enjoy broad and firm popular support, and neither party is even talking about this.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 4 days ago (4 children)

!! yea

always important to remember that the electorate’s preference in policy has only a loose relationship to who they vote for. this air gap is where most elections are fought, where strong messaging tightens the gap and messaging failures loosen it. the 2024 presidential election had a hella loose connection between party and people.

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

/genuine question, asides from the obvious of republicans adopting left policy, what would have to happen for another party switch to occur?

like, i know it happened once. wondering what circumstances and context brought that about and if that’s even a realistic framing to think about today’s world?

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There is also the Whig party for reference. They were one of the two parties until they refused to take a meaningful stance on slavery. They were the 'bipartisanship states rights solves it' party versus the 'pro-slavery' party.

There is no longer a Whig party and the slavery party went to war over a decade or so after the anti slavery parry formed.

So there's that alternative to Party switch.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I agree. I think we're at the stage where the Democrats are the Whig party. They aren't going to change, they need to be replaced with a true progressive party.

Assuming that we continue to be as much of a democracy as we were, now might be the time for that replacement to happen.

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