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[–] Kcap@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

They don't see what he's done and what he's said. The people that put him over the edge this time were targeted for being ill-informed and tempted by magic wand campaign promises like "no tax on tips" or dumb things like gold sneakers. They aren't watching informed news or doing research about his past performance. They're simply voting on vibe alone and have been heavily targeted on social media to make them think everything sucks and he's the only one who can fix everything when in fact he's the complete opposite of them.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 18 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

This is somehow less of a gut-punch than 2016 when everyone just assumed Americans would do the right thing and not elect Trump. It still sucks, but it’s less of a surprise. The writing was kind of on the wall for awhile though, just given the fact that the election was as close as it was. Even if Trump hadn’t won, that he was able to run the most garbage campaign in history and was still tying it up was pretty damning of America.

So now we watch as we just peacefully transfer power to the most vile, irresponsible person on Earth and watch the world burn.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 0 points 35 minutes ago

Why would anyone ever think they would do the right thing?

[–] Retreaux@lemmy.world 29 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I can't fucking believe we did it to ourselves again I'm completely in shock, this is fucking ridiculous.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I would say the same thing but just drive a car somewhere some time. People are the stupidest most selfish garbage you can imagine. And nothing brings that behavior out of them like driving a car.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

Under trump i doubt much "freedom inhibiting" transit will be built. And bike lanes are ablist so they are gone. Sidewalks will be gone too as only "poor people" walk so why waste taxes on them. Hell, he might even rip out a railway to build a highway, cause that's more american.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 36 minutes ago

I'd be way more shocked if he somehow lost.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 48 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The dumb bastards just gave Gaza to Bibi and Ukraine to Putin. And that is just a small part.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 22 points 1 hour ago

And I wouldn't be surprised if Taiwan was next now

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 3 points 30 minutes ago

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 295 points 4 hours ago (25 children)

I don't understand how this many people see everything that he's done and said, and still voted for him. I just do not understand. I don't want to live on the same planet as these people, nevermind in the same country.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 44 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 3 points 21 minutes ago

Still, even the biggest racist should look at him and think: there has to be a better racist.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 102 points 4 hours ago (10 children)

From what I've seen it's people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.

This is exactly what happened with Brexit.

[–] ECB 59 points 3 hours ago (7 children)

Status-quo politics is dead, many major western parties just haven't realized this yet. People want firmer political leadership that promises fundamental change and isn't afraid of breaking things along the way.

It's just fucking unfortunate that (in most countries) it's only the far right who are ahead of the curve at realizing this.

Center to left parties need to reinvent themselves and focus less on pleasing everyone or fighting losing battles. They also need to present a much clearer vision.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 41 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

For the record, we progressives in the US have been trying to foment that kind of attention. Messaging seems to be artificially limited by the corporate media, which is why groups like XR have had to resort to super glue hands onto the outer frames of art.

Every time we gain some momentum, serious violence appears, perfectly on schedule, to quell our desire for change.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago)

This is what people do not seem to understand. Fascism has the backing of global capitalism. All of the multinationals and industries who have been top dogs for the entire industrial revolution — fossil fuel corporations, weapons manufacturing and the entire military industrial complex — all of the food supply chain, major media networks, social media networks, and big tech companies, who have built a more expansive surveillance apparatus than Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia — ALL of the leaders of the highly-centralized functional-monopolies of 21st C capitalism benefit from fascism. The 1/100 who says "not like this" is irrelevant.

They're all part of the big club (even if they are oblivious to it) and you aren't in it.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It's not really all that complicated. The Democrats represent the status quo. The status quo sucks. The Republicans present themselves as an alternative to the status quo. So, people vote Republican.

All the centrist messaging just makes it worse. The Republicans can explain why things suck by scapegoating the poor and marginalized. But the Democrats won't call out the rich and powerful who are the actual reason things suck, so instead they just try to tell people that things don't suck at all. They "reach across the aisle" to people like Dick Cheney who are clearly part of the political establishment which only serves to help Trump present himself as an outsider. They adopt all these right-wing positions on immigration, the military, etc, but the people that appeals to already have a party waiting on them hand and foot, giving them exactly what they want. And all the bad shit he does doesn't matter to them because they believe in lesser evilism and hate the establishment.

Of course, Trump is part of the billionaire class and isn't any sort of real alternative to the existing system, but as long as Republicans are able to paint themselves that way, and are the only "alternative" game in town, people are going to turn to them when they dislike the way things are going, no matter how shitty they are.

I felt surprised and confused in 2016 when Trump won, but it's been 8 years. It's long past time to start figuring out where the Trump phenomenon came from.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

Best take I've read so far. Racism/misogyny/stupidity etc are certainly all factors but this is the main issue, absolutely. Everything sucks and pretending it's all fantastic and nothing needs to change is a delusional campaign strategy

[–] shadowfax13@lemmy.ml 1 points 37 minutes ago

completely agree. probably a lot disfranchised people have lost enough trust in the system to even vote. these people likely vote blue if they actually do something for them. why would they care trump is fascist when noone has addresses to their problems anyway.

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[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 132 points 4 hours ago (12 children)

As an Australian watching this all unfold I just can't believe you guys did it again.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I keep refreshing the page hoping for better results but I cannot believe my country is this fucking stupid

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[–] Irremarkable@fedia.io 76 points 4 hours ago

We can't either

[–] gerbler@lemmy.world 53 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Seconded. The first time I was willing to write it off as frustrated voters being misled by a conman. This time is different. You all had four years under this rapist conman and enough people decided they'd go back for seconds. Despicable.

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[–] lohky@lemmy.world 155 points 4 hours ago (6 children)

Great job, dipshits. I hope this personally impacts each and every person that voted for him.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 72 points 4 hours ago (8 children)

Oh it definitely will. Just his tariff plans are gonna turn everywhere into a 3rd world country, not just the republican backwaters.

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[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 128 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Jesus fucking Christ not again

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 58 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Actually it's not gonna be "again". It's gonna be way, way worse.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 27 points 3 hours ago

I really feel for the billions of people, including my fucking self, who didn't get a vote but who still have to suffer the consequences of this.

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[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 64 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Dear anyone that voted for this useless cunt,

You are fucking retarded. Thanks for ruining everything for the rest of us, dipshit.

With absolutely no love, any creature with an actual brain.

Dear anyone that voted for this useless cunt,

...and anyone that didn't vote for Harris,

FTFY

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 71 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And they won the Senate and are on track to win the house. The supreme Court is already in Trump's pocket and even if he choked on a big Mac and keeled over tomorrow that still leaves Vance, who is just as insane as trump but knows how to make his shit palatable to anyone who hasn't been paying attention, which as tonight proves is more than half the country. We are 1000% well and truly fucked.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Where are you seeing they'll win the house? All I see is a narrow blue control of the house on projected outcomes.

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