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Disposable vapes are indefensible. Many, or maybe most, of them contain rechargeable lithium-ion batteries, but manufacturers prefer to sell new ones.

To make a point about how wasteful this practice is—and to also make a pretty rad project and video—Chris Doel took 130 disposable vape batteries (the bigger "3,500 puff" types with model 20400 cells) found littered at a music festival and converted them into a 48-volt, 1,500-watt e-bike battery, one that powered an e-bike with almost no pedaling more than 20 miles. You can see the whole build and watch Doel zoom along trails on his YouTube video.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Hats off to the dude for not wasting the batteries. However, I would not want ass and balls near those cheap Chinese made lithium batteries.

[–] DrFuggles 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

aren't pretty much all Li(Fe)Po cells made cheaply in China?

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

That's a fair point, but I still don't want them near my taint!

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

To be fair the supposedly reusable pod kits only lasted me about a month or maybe two before whatever sensor that activates it when you draw breaks (what's wrong with buttons) .

That said all these disposables should at the very least be rechargeable it's truly stupid to buy something with a single charge I bet half of these are sold at about 60 percent or so battery and who will know.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I much prefer buttons, except the one time a button got stuck and it continued to heat until the plastic melted in my pants. Shit needs a safety shutoff too.

Honestly the entire idea of disposable vapes should be scrapped.

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 3 points 10 hours ago

I actually had that with the first ecig I ever bought with the draw activation (looked like a cig but blue light, itactivated in my pocket and I needed to throw it sharpish).

Yeah agreed nothing should be disposable with a lithium battery. I've just the feeling a lot of vapes are just designed to die as fast as possible even when it comes to reusable stuff .

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

They are almost all rechargeable where I live (US) because there's more juice in them than one charge will handle.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 15 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Perhaps it's odd, but I have never seen anyone use a vape in public. Nor have I seen one just lying on the ground. I maybe need to get out the forest here and visit civilization for a bit again.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Despite the larger size and bright colors, they're a bit more discreet than cigarettes. Most places that ban cigarettes equally ban vapes, so they're often concealed more. That probably has a spillover effect to areas they're allowed. They're only activated when sucked, so, unlike a cigarette that's burning whether you suck it or not, most people take a puff or 3 of vape and then go a few minutes without it. It's not as obvious as a person deliberately smoking one whole cigarette.

But maybe they're not around you. I think the other comments covered the locations well enough, sarcasm included. But if you suddenly smell something sweet like fruit or cereal, casually take a look for someone vaping

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

Oh I've seen pictures of them. Just haven't seen one in the real world nor seen one tossed on the ground. I do suspect they just aren't popular around me. Smokers around here probably prefer real cigarettes.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

really? they're almost as common as cigarette butts once were now. are you a hermit?

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

I wouldn't claim to be all that enamored of humans as a rule. But I'm not a hermit in the classic sense.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

The basement has been good to me to.

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah. Have you ever been outside?

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

I probably spend more time you side than you do. I just mostly do it in a forest.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I guess you’ll have to start spending more time in high school bathrooms.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

I had that misfortune when I was teaching math at my local school for 4 years.

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

They are super common where weed is legal. People fly into somewhere like Denver for the weekend to catch a show. Rather than buying a reusable battery, they will get a disposable vape (and probably some gummies).

Then it ends up in the landfill or as litter. I am in favor of making these one time use electronics illegal (along with single use plastics like balloons, plastic silverware, etc.. but that is another thread)

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 5 points 11 hours ago

They aren't even disposable, so it's crazy to me how they can be sold as such.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 12 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Go to a nightclub sometime. Discounted vapes in the outside areas are a tripping Hazard.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

Gigs and concerts are pretty grim for this now too.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Disposable vapes will be banned in the UK starting in June 2025.

Based.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 16 hours ago

They should never have been allowed in the first place

[–] aard@kyu.de 31 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Just wanted to comment that this should happen faster than in a few years... and then checked the calendar

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Still there's no reason to wait that long. Ban now the supply to the stores and full ban on 2025 if they still have stock.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's very normal to give businesses a short period to make arrangements/sell off stock.

They were never going to pass a law that banned them right from that second.

This is a good move. The damage that will continue to happen for the next 6 months or whatever is miniscule compared to the damage of just allowing it to continue indefinitely. Hopefully other countries follow suit.

[–] dan@upvote.au 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It's very normal to give businesses a short period to make arrangements/sell off stock.

That's why the person you're replying to said that the stores should first be banned from ordering new ones. They could still sell their existing stock up until the consumer ban takes effect.

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[–] maniel@sopuli.xyz 84 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yeah, disposable vapes should be made illegal, not only are they lowering the bar for the access because they're cheap and accessible to minors, not only because they are an e-waste, but because it wastes valuable lithium, also those are perfectly chargeable batteries, is a bit fucked up that it's more profitable to use rechargeable lithium batteries than something disposable

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

My evil side wants them to be more popular where I live so I can collect massive amounts of lithium batteries for free

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[–] snowcrushed573@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (15 children)

I so so want to purchase an ebike.But the companies don't seem likely to stick around for long though.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

My problem with Ebikes is the number of regular bikes stolen. No way I want to haul a ebike up and down my basement stairs a couple times a day.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

You pretty much should only buy one from a shop that has a physical location near you and can do repairs. Like everybody around me sells Trek, so if I ever got one, it'd be a Trek with a Bosch motor. Bike shops will not repair ebikes they don't sell, even though they'll repair regular bikes. And neither Trek nor Bosch are going anywhere.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 90 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Those little colored flavored vapes are IMHO one of the worst vapes. Once they're done, there's no replacing the flavor. I see them often at the rehab I work at. I've seen some with replaceable flavor cartridges, but those are also bad due to the excessive plastic waste.

I'm all for vapes as a means to quit, but they're also excessively used as a means of maintaining the habit.

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I’m not a vape user, but the model is the kind of thing that just makes me so angry.

In a world that makes sense:

  • small, mostly metal vape chassis
  • rechargeable, replaceable battery
  • built-in glass reservoir with charging valve
  • vape juice sold in medium to large recyclable cans with standard interface to the charging valve

In a world where Profit is God (the real world):

  • disposable chassis
  • disposable battery
  • if it’s refillable at all, it’s via non-recyclable, mixed material, mostly plastic, proprietary cartridges and you can save 5% if you subscribe online for refills, 10% if you pay yearly, $5 credit if you refer a friend on social media using hashtag #smoovape
  • probably gives you turbo cancer because the juice is made in a repurposed Freon plant that was inadequately converted and they just don’t answer the phone when the FDA or EPA call
[–] hex@programming.dev 6 points 17 hours ago

The first thing you described is literally what we used to have. God I miss the good old days of vaping.

[–] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

We used to have a great vape market for those types of vapes. Since 2020 state and fed government has rinsed the market “for the kids” and basically created what we see now, a market of 98% disposable sold by overseas companies. Before that there were countless brands making batteries, tanks, etc. now a lot of smoke shops don’t even sell refillable vapes or liquid.

[–] Steak@lemmy.ca 13 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah it's a shame. I've been vaping for 14 Yeats now and seen the whole story unfold. It really sucks.

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[–] AJ1@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago

cool! in no time at all, disposable vapes will usurp cigarette butts as the #1 form of litter across the globe! but in all seriousness, god bless this guy. hopefully his example will inspire people to be slightly less careless and slightly more cognizant of how they dispose of their waste (audience laughter turns to applause)

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