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Shoutout to the spike in women drinking when Trump got elected
Correlation is not causation, but...
The election was 15-16. Spike happened 14-15. Wondering if it was a methodology change to jump that much in 1 year?
Also fuck me but that was already 10 years ago. Was trying to recall if there was maybe some kind of viral social media thing that might have happened in 2014.
Gamergate
Robin Williams killed himself and Bill Cosby was arrested.
The text is to the left on '15; zoom in and compare the circles to the year. It was a 15-16 jump according to the dots.
Obligatory NYT headline: "Alcohol poisoning used to be a time honoured pasttime in this small town, but Millennial woke mob took it all away."
I think at least part of it is due to weed. Both it being legalized and being more popular than it's ever been in non-legal states. At least for me, smoking weed kills my desire to drink nearly as much. Usually at parties or just hang outs it starts off with a beer or mixed drink or three, then someone breaks out the weed and suddenly I'm nursing my fourth drink for an hour.
Would we not expect sudden changes then? This is a steady decline, not indicating any sudden changes in laws or anything.
Weed legalization hasn't been sudden though. It's progressed from medical to decriminalized to legal state by excruciating state.
As this graph is national, it makes sense that there wouldn't be a cliff because there's no particular date when we could say weed became legal.
Still not legal in any way here in texasss, and I assume we'll be the very last of the last to do so. But even here, it's so easily accessible that a good number of younger people I know tell me they prefer weed to alcohol. In legal states, that tendency must be much higher.
Legalization efforts have been piecemeal throughout the country, and still less than half the states have direct recreational access. I'm sure it's a factor, but until we have federal recreational legalization, we should see a downward trend instead of a drop.
I'm shocked there's no bump in 2020-2021. Many people I know, myself included, started drinking so much more during the pandemic.
These are also self reported numbers.
I know I wasn’t telling people how much I was drinking during the pandemic
Also how are we defining "binge" drinking
It went from 50% to 30% which is less but the scale makes you feel it is much lower
Yeah, graphs that are cut off is misleading graphs 101.
Sometimes you just have to trust the audience to be literate. A 20% drop is very significant, it's not like they're trying to make a .5% decline look like the Temperance movement.
Yeah and also its a decline in male binge drinking. Female hasn't really changed after a short term uptick.
I enjoy being intoxicated all day and not having a raging headache the day(s) after. Weed 4 Life!
Not sayig drinking is fine, but you sound like you're dehydrated. If you can stomach water whilr drinking it reduces the negative effects
The post was about binge drinking, which is a specific kind of "drinking"? I was comparing the differences between "binging" both drugs and the effects they cause after the fact.
I gotta disagree here. What qualifies as a "binge" to a scientist and, say, a university student (or even an adult that occasionally drinks) are quite different things. You can science "binge" with like 3 or 5 drinks in a night with no ill effect at all by being sure to drink water or mixing with water, you just can't do it in 20 mins before bed.
It looks more like the correct headline is binge drinking among men drops to the same level as women's binge drinking. The red line ends very close to where it starts.
That's a very good point.
Now do the UK.
Would be interesting to compare and contrast with a country that doesn't have legal weed
Dunno about the rest of the UK but here in Scotland £100 is s night out
In Manchester here, pretty much the same if you include transport and a kebab.
More like £150-200 if you want to drink nice and get mortal
I work with students a lot in the UK, and there has been a real shift in attitudes towards alcohol. Yes, they will still go out drinking, but no where near the extent previous generations have. Part of it will be that the government paid for my and my predecessors education, and even given adjustments for timescale, booze was sooooo much cheaper then than now.
As a non-drinker that seems like a lot, OTOH, I have spent a lot on liquor for cooking so...
It’s depends if that’s from a store or a bar/restaurant. You can spend $100 on drinks at one dinner in NY if you’re taking someone out. Two people at $8-$15 a drink plus tip adds up fast.
I don't live in a civilized state with legal weed, but I can get the hemp derived delta 9 gummies at any smoke shop, and they do a damn fine job (until Ken Paxton gets a hard-on for criminalizing them anyway)
Since I've had easy access to cannabis that I don't have to smoke, my desire to drink has plummeted.
I'm not gonna tell you that I've quit drinking. I'm not even gonna tell you that I've quit binge drinking.
But I am gonna tell you that I was once that guy who centered his entire existence on "when can I start drinking?"
Today, without any interventions, without any criminal charges, without any AA, without any conscious decision, I've somehow become entirely indifferent to alcohol.
I'll buy a twelve pack of beer here and there or a bottle of whiskey. Used to be either would be gone the next day. Now it'll take months (plural) to get through either one.
Downside: I've been a whole lot less social without the lubrication of alcohol. Weed doesn't make me social. It puts me to sleep.
Upside: I've pretty much ceased all alcohol related bad decisions. No more sorting through texts from the previous night or having to apologize.
Really big upside: No hangovers
Young people don't have my decades of experiences to arrive where I am today. Seems like they've found the equilibrium without first having to pay to price of alcohol consequences, and good for them.
What happened to the women in '15/'16 lol
Binge drinking in celebration of first female president. Then binge drinking because Trump became president instead?
Is that vos everyones too busy trying to feed themselves they can't afford to get drunk.
The scale of the graph is a bit misleading though.
... what's wrong with the scale?
E: Apparently people just going through life looking at graphs ignoring everything on the graphs except LINE GO DOWN AND UP!!!
It's only showing the range from 60% to 30%, which makes the 20% drop in male binge drinking rates look more like an ~80% drop to near-zero unless you pay close attention to the scale.
... how is a linear scaled graph on both the X and Y axis misleading when the point of the graph is to show change over time and percentage within a small range of about 25% - 55%? The extra 70% is useless.
A Y axis graph going from 0 to 100 results in a squashed graph that's hard to read.
Do you just read graphs without looking at the scale or something? It literally has the data points listed on each fucking dot FFS lol.
There is literally, not even metaphorically, nothing misleading about this graph.
Both of you quit using that word. It does not mean what you think it means.
There's apparently a similar story for the amount of sex younger people are having. I've always attributed the story to the internet and social media. IE, Younger people are just getting their "fix" from and are addicted to something else and aren't bored in the same way older generations were when they were young.
Now add other drugs to the chart
Average of $105/month, that's much.
It looks like the collapse is due to men alone, which is interesting that it is only targeting one gender.
If the difference is switching to cannabis, men do tend to be heavier users.
(Side note: one article I saw while looking for this referred to it as the "grass ceiling" lol)
I wonder how much of a role palate refinement is for this trend. For example: Starbucks, for as terrible as their coffee is, did a lot to elevate the overall regard of coffee; bean juice was no longer just a bitter stew we tolerated to get our caffeine fix. Starbucks broke trail for craft coffee roasting more general popularity.
Could it be the same with alcoholic beverages? I used to think Maker's Mark was the best bourbon going. Now I know better, but so many of the craft bourbons are expensive or just plain hard to find. Ditto for my favorite hazy IPAs. Why binge drink the good stuff when your palate is going to be wrecked after three beers? And since I'm not going to drink swill, welp, guess I'm not going to get drunk tonight!
This graph is quite confusing and not beautiful. Months? Years? The words and numbers font correlate.
What’s with the spike for females? Wonder if it was political.
Alcohol was good enough for my viking ancestors so it's good enough for me.