His message is for those who would rather suffer than have "those" people get help.
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Ironically, most of those people are on social security and Medicaid.
I have a cousin who I wouldn't say is a 1%er, but maybe a 5%er. Very well off. You know why she's against universal health care?
Because "they" (poor people) would be able to see "her" doctor. And "she pays for a doctor that is good enough where he doesn't have to work for 'those' people". And she shouldn't have to wait extra time for an appointment, dammit! Do you know who she is?!?!?!?!?
Yeah, she's one of them. Needless to say, we don't talk much. I just wanted to say that there are plenty of people who are against universal healthcare because they think that somehow a kid going to see a doctor for the first time will somehow inconvenience them.
Some people don't pull the ladder up behind them. They kick it down, then wave bye-bye to you while watching you fall.
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Remember through, he loves "the uneducated"
I have a Trumper friend that works at the VA. He is anti-government.
He's trying to appeal to the "fuck you I got mine" crowd. If the peons get healthcare it's going to erode the quality of yours! More waiting! Less quality! Less privilege! Some poor person deserves the same respect and basic human dignity as you? Gross!
Of course most his supporters are borderline poor and it would transform their lives to have guaranteed healthcare, but they're looking ahead to the fanciful days they're millionaires just like trump.
It's not just that. It's also the "I don't want my tax dollars paying for some other person's health care" crowd.
"I don't want to pay $30 in taxes. I'd rather be bankrupt the next time I need medical care"
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90% of the T**** supporters I know are just straight up assholes. The rest are confused idiots, some of whom are salvageable.
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I hate to break it to everyone but she does not currently support single payer nor will her presidency push for it. (At least, that's the message they're putting out right now.)
Never forget that everything Trump says is a lie, even if it's one you want to believe.
That said, I think it would be easier to drag her into it than Biden.
https://kamalaharris.medium.com/my-plan-for-medicare-for-all-7730370dd421
In 2019 she was for it.
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That dream was gone when Bernie got screwed over. Won't happen for a long time anyways.
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Don't threaten me with a good time.
It's great when a quote is taken out of context, and then you look at the context, and it's even worse.
"She cosponsored legislation to abolish very popular private health insurance, which 150 [million] Americans rely on, dumping everyone onto inferior socialist government run health care systems with rationing and deadly wait times, while massively raising your taxes. She wants to take away your private health care."
As if 150M Americans have a real choice in private insurance, or that the bureaucracy of the system doesn't already result in rationing and deadly wait times.
As a side note, Project 2025 does something similar with cars. Something to the effect of "Americans overwhelmingly prefer cars" to justify ignoring bikes or public transit projects, again as if there was a real choice being offered.
I just don't think grandma should be in front of an Obama Death Panel.
The Death Panel should be guys trying to sacrifice her to the line, someone with zero knowledge of her care typing "no" in a spreadsheet, or, fuck it, let's get an AI with a 90% error rate (always errs towards denial). Those are the right arbiters to decide the value of someone's life.
Our current death panel is just "well, she can't afford it"... just as American Jesus wants.
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Says the guy who never came up with an alternative to Obama Care and said "who knew health insurance was so complicated?"
Get rid of private insurance! We pay a ton in premiums and they still get to decide what they want to cover. Private insurance is bullshit. I'll just laterally move that premium to socialized health care so everyone has it.
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I'm still waiting on the taco trucks. They've barely increased in number over the last four years.
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Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Seriously though, no such bill would ever make it to her desk. So I don’t know what they’re crying about.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good ol’ fashioned fear-mongering!
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Oh dear god, You mean I'd finally have coverage, like an actual first world nation, to get my hereditary issues looked at, and treated?
DEAR GOD, THE INHUMANITY OF IT ALL.
During a rambling press conference at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, Trump said of Harris, “She cosponsored legislation to abolish very popular private health insurance, which 150 [million] Americans rely on, dumping everyone onto inferior socialist government run health care systems with rationing and deadly wait times, while massively raising your taxes. She wants to take away your private health care.
“It’s the best health care in the world,” he continued, adding, “You’re all going to be thrown into a communist system … You’re going to be thrown into a system where everybody gets health care.”
She's going to give you the bad health care. The kind that the foreigners and the blah people get. You're not going to receive the special elite luxury care. You're going to get the same care as everyone else.
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Could you imagine universal healthcare that’s probably cheaper than the insurance you pay now?
Not having to worry about who’s in and out of network?
The horror!
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She’s a monster! A monster I tell you!
Frame Canada
Wendell Potter spent decades scaring Americans. About Canada. He worked for the health insurance industry, and he knew that if Americans understood Canadian-style health care, they might.... like it. So he helped deploy an industry playbook for protecting the health insurance agency.
As a Canadian, I'll be the first to say that our system isn't perfect. If you've got a chronic but not life-threatening condition, like a need for knee or hip surgery, you could spend a long time on a waiting list. There are certainly lots of affluent Canadians who opt to step out of that line to get treatment at private for-profit clinics, both domestically and abroad. There's always a shortage of something. Qualified doctors, nurses, family practitioners, CT or MRI machines, etc.
That being said, if you do have a life-threatening condition, the Canadian healthcare system can work pretty well. My step father had pneumonia Nov./Dec. last year, chest xray revealed something concerning beyond the pneumonia, by early January biopsies has been done, by February he'd started radiation, six or so weeks of that, then monitoring for a while and now he's in remission. Everything moved fast, because he had a time-critical condition. Total cost to my family: zero dollars (setting aside costs for gas, parking, snacks for stress-eating, etc.). I couldn't imagine a family going through the same situation in the US.
you've got a chronic but not life-threatening condition, like a need for knee or hip surgery, you could spend a long time on a waiting list.
This is going to sound crazy, but that's also the case in the US. Months to see a specialist. Referred to another specialist. Wait months for an opening. It took me over a year of sporadic appointments just to get an epidural for back pain. It was ridiculous. All using "efficient" for-profit organizations where you pay out the ass for premiums and then they extract the rest through your dickhole if you dare to seek care.
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My aunt in Canada has had 2 hip replacements. And while she did have to wait, which is worse: waiting and not being in crushing medical debt? Or waiting a bit and having almost no costs?
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Is he threatening us with a good time?
Oh the humanity
His point is just to find a way to scare his voters by calling her a communist. It's the most pathetic attack ever.
Trump said of Harris: “She cosponsored legislation to abolish very popular private health insurance, which 150 [million] Americans rely on, dumping everyone onto inferior socialist government run health care systems with rationing and deadly wait times, while massively raising your taxes. She wants to take away your private health care.”
“It’s the best health care in the world,” he continued, adding: “You’re all going to be thrown into a communist system … You’re going to be thrown into a system where everybody gets health care.”
This bullshit about rationing and deadly wait times can only work on the most ignorant people who don't realize healthcare is better and more affordable in many other countries.
There may be a bit of "she won't hurt the right people" in there too.
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Every American having access to decent healthcare will cause a true meltdown of the GOP.
Now that is an endorsement :)
If she did that I'd volunteer for her USSS detail. Can we be the Democrats the Republicans say we are?
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I pay my portion of my health coverage at a little under 20% of my paycheck for a family plan. That is technically half since my employer pays a portion as well. If taxes would be raised to that point or even less than what I am paying now I would not care in the slightest. Hell I would welcome it. If it is more I would be a little more upset but if I do t have to pay co pays or the other crap a medical bill generates like the portion my health coverage doesn't pay than in my eyes it again balances out.
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It'd be nice, but it won't happen.
Oh no, the horror of a developed nation!
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