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[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 129 points 4 months ago (3 children)

As someone who looked up to the US as a kid in totalitarian East Germany, I feel so sad about what this country is turning into.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 88 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Hitler copied segregation from the Jim Crow South. Also, before that is even worse in the US. A sizeable part of the US population was forcibly taken from their families and subjected to a lifetime of hard labor and rape. This was considered legal and normal at the time.

Every so often you hear about some freako who has kidnapped someone and kept them alive for years chained in a basement. Maybe they have to work or do sexual favors for their captor. We now consider that person a victim and their captor the worst kind of criminal. That disgusting criminal was an average slaveowner in the US South.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Hitler mentioned Jim crow with praise in mein kampf.

Black GIs came back from killing nazis to be tied to trees and tortured.

The south lost a war, then ignored everything and went right back to doing what they were doing for 150 years.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 42 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As someone else said, the secret is that the US isn't 'turning into', it's been bad for at least a century. We've finally gotten to the point where racism is starting to get unpopular enough that it's not just normal and largely ignored.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We have gone through cycles where the racists are unpopular enough to have to hide their intentions or “true feelings” behind convoluted rhetoric (red-lining housing, welfare and food stamp rules, or just blue lives matter, for instance), or just plain hiding (like the nighttime hooded gatherings).

We knew about them, but kept them marginalized. Now they are less marginalized, but also encouraged by a right wing nationalist Republican Party that has far too much of a chance of controlling the country in a few months.

The problem is that they are loud, and have majorities in places where their vote literally counts more. Low population red states especially (Wyoming, Idaho, Dakotas), and districts that have been gerrymandered around to weaken liberal democratic representation that overall outnumbers the racists, is seriously dangerous and un-democractic.

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[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

All countries have their crazies. Currently we’re seeing a wave of said crazy minority rising up (Duterte, Bolsonaro, AfD, Mussolini, RN). Sometimes we become so complacent as a people that we forget these kinds of ideologies exist. So they fester and attract others. Hopefully this time we don’t have to fight a war to top it and can change the tides peacefully.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 69 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Folks wave these flags and the cops just wave back.

But try hosting a union rally at a Starbucks or Amazon warehouse, and security will be on you like white on rice.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Something about some who work forces and sumsuch.

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[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 66 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

"Whites against replacement". WAR

Like, you can raise awareness on any issue you think is happening, but that flag you're flying says this has nothing to do with "replacement".

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

Speaking as a "white", I'm ok with these guys being replaced.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

The "replacement" these losers are panicking about is TV commercials with black people in them.

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[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 61 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That is a riff on a Blues Brothers line.

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[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wanna know what happened during the pandemic? All the anti-vaccine and anti-mask idiots came out to play. Most people stayed silent. Didn't want to get involved. Went on their days understandably stressed, though also very aware all the wrong around them.

This is no different. We are all so socially programmed to follow norms that we don't want to upset anyone. We don't want to raise our voices in public. Worried we may get embarrassed. Concerned that we are somehow in the wrong. Terrified that something will be taken from us.

Yet here we are in our passiveness, consistently losing ground to actual imbeciles, racists, and malicious actors. WE allow this to happen. Stand up to them or let their word spread unopposed and allow them to do what they want. Freedom of speech works both ways. So stand up and speak out.

Fuck.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

The problem is that a lot of these lunatics are armed, either openly or concealed carry. Your average person isn't going to be willing to take the gamble with their life in order to confront these assholes, they're just gonna try and hurry on their way. The actual people who should be confronting Nazis are cops, but unfortunately the venn diagram of police and fascist supporters is a fucking circle.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 45 points 4 months ago

Well, sure. We've decided that while Nazis are bad, standing up to them hurts their feelings and is therefore worse than the whole Nazi thing

I think all that symbolism - Nazi symbols, Confederate symbols, that stupid christofascist heaven flag, etc - should be legally ruled as implied threats of violence that are essentially always open to defend against.

TLDR see a nazi punch a Nazi should be federal policy.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

I am against violence while I have no illusion about the fact that it seems necessary because bad humans need to fuck up everything for good humans.

But I want to stay that this is not a call for violence or an expression of my support for it.

But why the fuck does everyone and their grandmother have guns in the us and these people are alive? Isn't the point of the guns to protect the public from tyranny? I mean I don't think it works but that is the reason no? How are tyrannical forces allowed to have openly political activity? You guys don't have guns to fight for your "freedom🦅" it seems but to shoot your child when they sneak back into the house.

In my opinion, it is good that you guys don't murder each other but like... What is the point of those guns if not fighting literal Nazis?

Drop the gun bs or actually fight for your freedom or be honest why you want guns, it is fucked up that you want to be shot by your toddler but you do you, i guess.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Even without guns involved, there are many regions with antifascist groups which come and give them a beating (see Patriot Front getting run out of Philadelphia). Collective violent resistance intimidates them. Non-violent tactics are essential, they come first and are more important overall, but violence makes them scare to come outside. Just look at the dissolution of the British Union of Fascists after the '43 Group threw bricks at them enough times for a big example (there are many smaller examples - especially since modern neo-nazis tend to recruit scrawny teens online who can't handle getting beaten up).

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

Just to add - there is a reason the right tries to demonize Antifa, because it works and they know it works.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

I feel it's important to add here that the only thing these chuds understand is strength and power, and violence is the only thing that will counteract their influence. Maybe it doesn't require physical violence right now and other forms of strength would frighten them off - counter protests seem to work well in Germany, not to mention full-on bans of their gatherings (they don't have a similar 1A of course...).

At some point however I fear that physical violence is the only solution with them. Unfortunately, fascism evolved to chink away at all the weak spots in the liberal democrat's armor and use the things we love against us. They don't care about truth, they don't care about consistency, etc. They can't be beat on the debate stage because they don't care about words. All they care about is strength because they're 99% insecure lemming cowards and we have to use it against them.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 42 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, "Replacement". The great Jewish plot to replace white people with the one set of people that Jews really get on with: Muslims.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Let’s be honest here, these sorts of people aren’t the sharpest crayons in the box; they’re the reason why warning labels need to be created.

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[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If no one is doing anything about it, maybe Nashville is that. The racists are really a problem that can be fixed aside from removing them all. The real problem is those people standing with their backs to that and ignoring it.

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[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 39 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Grew up in Nashville, still have racist family there. It absolutely is like that, just look at the state's house of representatives doing shit like expelling the only two Black members of the House last year. Maybe Nashville dreams of being a liberal bastion in a sea of red, but right now it's barely an island.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 35 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Hot take, but, I don't like nazis

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Looks like the US is finally getting a full view of what the world has seen for decades.

The US is most certainly a NAZI safe haven. And it is time to stop pretending that it isn't a NAZI secret garden.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago

That's because some of them are cops and they have support from cops.

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The optimal counter to people inciting hateful violence is directing violence at them.

Fascists are worshippers of power, and, furthermore, they're cowards. A large counterdemonstration weakens them. Beating them up cripples them.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago

Remember that one simple trick to counter nazis: you can break their kneecaps

[–] suction@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (3 children)

None of those fatties look like Aryans, in Nazi Germany they’d be made into lamp shades on day one.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"But the leopards won't eat OUR faces!"

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 32 points 4 months ago (10 children)

My great grandparents would have shot these people for King and Country 🇬🇧

[–] Enkrod 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My great grandparents were these people and I'd be okay with yours shooting them.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Years of "but what about the communists?", "the nazis are bad trope is overdone", and "what if false nazism allegations?" did this.

It happened in my country, Hungary, now our prime minister poses with a football scarf depicting Greater Hungary, a pro-territorial revisionist symbol.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 months ago

Not exactly the alpha males they portray themselves as

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just start chasing them down with baseball bats

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nashville isn't this.

Picture shows something different.

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

It is in Nashville. Here's a street view link to the exact spot:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/qFr3uxhDbw9VVmB99?g_st=ac

Apologies if you meant like, metaphorically speaking Nashville isn't this.

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[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 months ago

The building in the background is Ole Red. It's an event venue in Narshville at 300 Broadway.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It'd be really unfortunate if my old beater car with a literal train air horn strapped to the roof happened to pull up next to them and them have the air valve get stuck open. It's really be bad. Just so terrible, awful, and definitely not intentional whatsoever.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

Failing to recognize motion parallax makes you think adopting nazi symbolism is a good idea?

Motion parallax: sitting in a parked car with your head down, vision tunneled in on reading or whatever. Car slides into the parking place right next to you. Briefly, it offers the cognitive-visual illusion that your car is rolling backwards. Looking up corrects for this, showing you that your car is not rolling backwards, the other car is the only one moving, up to a space right next to you.

These assholes desperately need to look up from their tunneled vision.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Everyone is acting like this latent shit hasn't been brewing for decades.

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Where's the meme?

This is just a screenshot of a comment and photo.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Metal Bat with a tube sock, solves a surprising number of these kinds of problems!

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