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When Israel re-arrested Palestinian men in the occupied West Bank town of Dura, the detainees faced familiar treatment.

They were blindfolded, handcuffed, insulted and kept in inhumane conditions. More unusual was that each man had a number written on his forehead.

Osama Shaheen, who was released in August after 10 months of administrative detention, told Middle East Eye that soldiers brutally stormed his house, smashing his furniture.

"The soldiers turned us from names into numbers, and every detainee had a number that they used to provoke him during his arrest and call him by number instead of name. To them, we are just numbers."

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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

My grandfather had a number tattooed on his arm. Never again means never again for everyone.

Shame on Israel. Zionism is an evil racist ideology, distinct from Judaism

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago

They have become that which they hated.

Treating Gaza like an open air extermination camp and even branding them the way prisoners were tattooed in German camps.

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Yellow star was already patented

[–] migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is no longer a boring dystopia

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Literally 1940

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 3 days ago (2 children)

For fuck sake, how blatant does it need to get before people recognize this for what it is?

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

You mean admit to it? They can just continue refusing.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

The people who are willing to recognize it for what it is have already done so.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 211 points 4 days ago (5 children)

You would think Israel, of all countries, ought to know how blatantly evil this kind of stuff looks.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 113 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They do, they just don't care.

[–] becausechemistry@lemm.ee 31 points 4 days ago

They do, and that’s the point.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

They don’t care. No one is preventing them from becoming Nazis themselves.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Israel of all countries is the one desperately trying to prove it's more like Nazis (strong white Europeans in their opinion) than like their victims. That's the lesson they got from it all.

They are a broken nation.

And I understand how they become one, what I don't understand is how Armenians haven't (having plenty of their own weaknesses, of course).

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 70 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This seems vaguely familiar but I can't quite put my forearm on it.

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 158 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I know a Holocaust survivor who is horrified by everything going on in Israel and Palestine. I also am related to deceased Holocaust survivors and their children, grandchildren, cousins, etc. all seem to think this situation is pretty awesome. They call the Palestinians animals and other terrible things and talk like it's all political and say that people who disagree with them are brainwashed and unintelligent.

I can't be 100% certain, but I think I now understand what it was like to sit at a table with burgeoning Nazis and Nazi-supporters and I'm sad to say that I failed the test. Yes, I argued, I disagreed, and I walked away, but I'm starting to get why everyone didn't just attack the Nazis in Germany. What do you do when you recognize a Nazi but that Nazi helped raise you and didn't seem to be a Nazi until they suddenly doubled down on the wrong choice?

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Personally, I’d tell them they’re the ones behaving like animals, and cut all future contact.

Maybe someday they’ll wake up and realize that they’re on the wrong side of history. Or they’ll pass on to the next life and figure it out when they’re not in heaven.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 26 points 4 days ago

That sounds really tough man I'm sorry. Thank for you at least sharing your perspective. It's an important perspective to keep in mind. This stuff gets oversimplified, and often, ironically, by disregarding the element of human relationships.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 53 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I know, but when you're in the actual situation then you start asking yourself "am I really gonna hit my 80-something year-old great-aunt?" And you start realizing that the cops are definitely gonna get called and then there's gonna be even more Nazis around you and that the new ones have a trigger-happy reputation.

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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Writing a number on someone with a marker is not branding. This is stupid. The IDF is committing actual atrocities, and this article is about writing a number on people with a marker and referring to them by that number. Relatively humane prison systems refer to people by their inmate number as well.

What is even going on? This is literally a distraction from the actual terrible things regularly occurring. Think about it this way: within the horrifyingly violent context of Palestine right now, here is an entire article that could be headlined: "IDF Uses New Weapon Against Palestinians: A Marker." See how absurd that is when there are much more important events occurring?

Who wrote this? The IDF?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

They did not hold a prison number sign. Or a piece of clothing with a number. They were marked with the number on their forehead.

No prison system kidnaps people and throws them in a "jail" without process, writes a number on their forehead, tortures them for months and then releases them because they were innocent.

And I do not mean a combination of those things.

I mean not one of those things is done in a prison.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Personally I'd be unwilling to write numbers on people and refer to them by that number, I just read a lot of accounts of the holocaust and that's too close for me to be around without feeling sick. Don't know how IDF can stomach this. But, you know, no end to the depth of human depravity and evil. I'm not a great person. Still couldn't do this.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 days ago

Yea but a number drawn with a sharpie would fade away. Have you thought of some more permanent way of inking those numbers in their skins? Not to mention that the forehead is a bit too much, it might make the guards uncomfortable. Have you considered someplace a bit more discreet, like maybe the wrist? /s

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)

... branding detainees with numbers, check... now, what's next on Hitler's to do list?

—Bibi, apparently

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

The right-wing religious nutters in Israel read plenty of NKVD and SS manuals.

[–] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 54 points 4 days ago (10 children)

They couldn't turn the world today into a movie because the writing would be called too lazy and ham-fisted to be realistic.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

"The Nazi analogies were so over the top, like we get it, they're bad people... It's insulting to the audience."

—average review

"You're watching it wrong! Those are protagonists!"

—US government in the comments

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[–] EisFrei@lemmy.world 81 points 4 days ago
[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 83 points 4 days ago (2 children)

How disappointed the generation before them would be, having survived that same treatment only to become the monsters that they struggled to escape.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago

Israel wasn't founded by holocaust survivors and treated them less than equal.

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As someone living in "Israel" im not shocked, I wouldn't be suprised if they put it on their forearms next time

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 69 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Numbers are so 1940's, I thought they might have moved to QR codes by now.

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[–] CriticalThought@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

ITT: a bunch of non-native English speakers lecturing native English speakers on the meaning and usage of English words in colloquial English :-/

[–] nobleshift@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I cannot find a confirming alternative source. If you have one or more please reply. Thank you.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Found this but I don't know how credible it is. From around the same time.

Article says numbers written, title says branded.

It's not good, nothing about this is. However, I'm not seeing actual hot branding to foreheads.

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/11/1/headlines/israeli_forces_detain_beat_and_brand_palestinians_after_deadly_west_bank_raid

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Democracy now is one of the most credible news sources out there. Amy Goodman is meticulous about it.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I wonder why this seems to be the only news org posting this. It seems we know there are camps in the West Bank where people are being detained, and we know the conditions are brutal, but the numbers on the forehead is a very specific extra detail that I can't seem to find any other sources on numbers being written on foreheads. Did MEE just get the exclusive scoop or what?

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago
[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

History repeats itself

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