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[–] hark@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Societal collapse, eh? Sounds like a great opportunity for profit!!!

[–] Strobelt@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Imagine how much ACs we could sell! And how expensive we could make food!

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[–] Gointhefridge@lemm.ee 132 points 6 days ago (10 children)

We can't even figure out how to not have half our society be rasict, how the hell are we gonna save a whole planet from our fuckery?

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 124 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We're not gonna be able to combat climate change under capitalism anyway. The number one thing we need to do is to produce less but that goes directly against what capitalism needs to function. Not to mention that governments are bribed by companies to make laws in their favour.

But hey, what's the point of saving our planet anyway if we can't maximize profits anymore?

[–] Frittiert 40 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yep. And if you mention this, you're a commie and capitalism is the greatest thing ever and under socialism we will all starve and have nothing and it never worked look at Cuba.

Like capitalism works, and there are no imaginable alternatives.

Just don't use resources to produce that much useless crap to just dump it in a landfill or burn it? Is it so hard to understand?

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

People think it's gonna be fun, like Zombieland. Instead, it's going to be fun, like The Road.

[–] vane@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago

We're moving back to office until we can't move at all.

[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 106 points 6 days ago (13 children)

Humanity is fucked. My sympathy lies with the animals.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 43 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I sympathize with the children that had nothing to do with it.

[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 44 points 5 days ago (14 children)

It’s why I’m not having kids.

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

That's all of us unless you're an executive in a multinational corp, or work for the oil and gas industry.

We've all been ramrodded into this reality by a handful of giant Corporations, over the last 100 years.

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[–] bassad@jlai.lu 20 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Animals are fucked! We decimated 75% of wildlife in 50 years, and it is still growing

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

a bit late for that when society is turning to fascism all over the world.

[–] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Good ol' fascism! You can always count on fascism to to help people. Well, the right people. I mean, some of the right people, maybe a small subset of the right people.

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[–] UmeU@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago

That’s unfortunate because I have been trying really hard to participate in society.

[–] auzy@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

I'd say the ones who have been saying it's not real should be the first to become soylent green

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 14 points 5 days ago

:shocked-picachu:

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

societal collapse

Ah yes, that thing that has us laboring to chase meaningless plastic crap we're brainwashed into needing instead of growing our own food and maintaining our own shelters as small, purposeful communities, all so the owners of this society can siphon our energy while poisoning the earth, all to live like wannabe gods above us.

No more penis Space tourist rockets? What a loss...

[–] Baguette@lemm.ee 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I dont think you would like what comes after societal collapse. It's easy to pin society as just capitalism, but collapse will mean more than just the economic system. Democracies will collapse and entire regions will cease to exist. Food scarcity and mass migration will result in extreme regimes that will defend their territory, and a bunch of nomads who have to live with the constant worry of where the next food and freshwater source is. Not to mention the constant fighting over geopolitical issues (imagine current day scaled up exponentially)

Yes, we should fix our economic system, but societal collapse is not an end result we ever want.

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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 38 points 6 days ago (15 children)

You know what would be useful in a societal collapse? Electric vehicles and solar panels.

Hopefully peppers aren’t building zombie busses because they’ll be useless in 6 months after the oil stops flowing.

An ev with a charger panel and bicycles will be useful indefinitely.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 28 points 6 days ago (3 children)

When society collapses, upwards of around 95-100% of us die. That's reality.

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[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Solar panels and batteries require massive supply chains. They require our rarest minerals and highest tech, with highly educated workers to develop and produce and state of the art clean rooms and factories.

If we stop producing them, the current stock will be useful for like 50 years tops. Then it's back to fossil fuels, I'm afraid. Diesel generators last for a long time, and they're easier to maintain and produce.

I remember i read a doomer theory stating we should be stockpiling coal for the humans that remain to rebuild society since there is nothing we can do at this point and fossil fuels is the only thing that will outlast the collapse. I'm not that pessimistic, but i can see what they mean.

[–] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 21 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Lol, Diesel can on average only be stored for 6 to 12 months before degrading. Good luck with that.

If a collapse ever happens I'd rather have solar panels and an EV. Fuel production and transport would instantly grind to a halt and the existing fuel goes bad soon after.

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago

What a time to be alive!

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's old news, no? I recall reading that basically from 2°C there is no more economic growth, what means a lot of people are thrown under the bus. From 3°C there is no more economy, meaning no food, heating, fighting everywhere. From 4°C there is basically no more humanity.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

That sounds pretty extreme. I'd be Interested in reading that article, if you can find it.

[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 days ago

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/

I'm looking at the Full Volume, and on page 71 you can see

With about 2°C warming, climate-related changes in food availability and diet quality are estimated to increase nutrition-related diseases and the number of undernourished people, affecting tens (under low vulnerability and low warming) to hundreds of millions of people (under high vulnerability and high warming) ... Climate change risks to cities, settlements and key infrastructure will rise sharply in the mid and long term with further global warming, especially in places already exposed to high temperatures, along coastlines, or with high vulnerabilities (high confidence).

At global warming of 3°C, additional risks in many sectors and regions reach high or very high levels, implying widespread systemic impacts, irreversible change and many additional adaptation limits (see Section 3.2) (high confidence). For example, very high extinction risk for endemic species in biodiversity hotspots is projected to increase at least tenfold if warming rises from 1.5°C to 3°C (medium confidence). Projected increases in direct flood damages are higher by 1.4 to 2 times at 2°C and 2.5 to 3.9 times at 3°C

Global warming of 4°C and above is projected to lead to far-reaching impacts on natural and human systems (high confidence). Beyond 4°C of warming, projected impacts on natural systems include local extinction of ~50% of tropical marine species (medium confidence) and biome shifts across 35% of global land area (medium confidence). At this level of warming, approximately 10% of the global land area is projected to face both increasing high and decreasing low extreme streamflow, affecting, without additional adaptation, over 2.1 billion people (medium confidence) and about 4 billion people are projected to experience water scarcity (medium confidence). At 4°C of warming, the global burned area is projected to increase by 50 to 70% and the fire frequency by ~30% compared to today

However, if you really want to get into it, you can read the Climate Change 2022: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability Full Report. It has a lot more details about the effects of climate change on all parts of the world, but it's also a 3,000 page pdf.

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

gestures broadly

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