Btw: It's good you signed up with a smaller instance. Ideally we want the users to spread across instances. So for example lemmy.world doesn't gain too much power (which it already has). So signing up on a different instance is a good thing for the Fediverse.
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What's the danger there? (Just curious)
Same as reddit, every instance can choose to just start monetizing if they wish and even stop being part of the fediverse. If they get too big and decide to do it then it'll be a blow to the content on all the fediverse. That's why it's better to spread out a bit more to avoid one big instance controlling the whole.
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First of all we had big instances die. Like feddit.de and kbin.social That always damages a big part of the network. If things were distributed more evenly, it'd be a smaller chunk of the fediverse that vanishes in such a case.
Then, being way bigger than the others gives someone disproportionately bigger power. If you're not having any issue with that, you might as well join Reddit. And the first big Lemmy instance (lemmy.ml) arguably explots(?) that. They'll act against you once you say something negative about communism, China, ... and that's not okay to do. Now we have lemmy.world as the biggest instance and it's way better. But still I've also read people complain about their moderation practices.
If we have some dominating entities, they'll disproportionately shape the tone, atmosphere and behaviour on the whole network. We might or might not want that.
In the end I think what actually happens should reflect the vision and the capabilities of the software. The Fediverse is supposed to be an interconnected network of instances. If the technology works as intended (and the vision behind the Fediverse is correct) I expect that to manifest in the way it actually grows. If it favors one or two large instances, we either might have an issue with the technology/software and it's not able to truly achieve it because of some shortcomings. Or the idea behind all of it might not be more a theoretical concept than viable in the real world.
If we want to look at it in the end-state, we have email as an example. That's a super old federated standard and now also dominated by a few big players. It's still possible to host your own email. But not really fun because of lots of complications that come with it.
[Edit: The dynamics could also be viewed as competition succeeding. If someone does their job well, they'll naturally attract people?! And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not sure what to make of this. And I'm not sure if that's the dynamics at play here in the first place.]
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If the LW admins decide to wrongfully ban someone, that person is banned from a lot of communities and from interacting with a lot of people. In a more equal network, each individual bad decision has a smaller effect on the whole
If LW admins really care about the fediverse, they probably should close their registrations for the time being, otherwise every newbie will start joining LW because it is the biggest instance out there.
On the flipside, that also scares people away. New users want to take part and immediately hit a barrier. The place where everyone mingles is closed off. They have to learn why that is and how the Fediverse is supposed to work, find some instance overview list and make a choice. Be angry for a short while until they understand the concept and realize it's for the better... I think that'd be detrimental to the cause. I rather live with the issues that come with big instances than with a complicated onboarding process. But I think people already complained about onboarding on the Fediverse in general. I think we need to solve that issue first and then we can go ahead and also add some mechanism to steer people towards a more even distribution. But I don't see anyone working on any of that for Lemmy. Until then, I'd say don't do it.
(And btw: I don't want to see lemmy.world shrink, which wold be the outcome. What I'd like to see is other nice instances come into existence and grow to a similar size. Because they're a nice place and people can identify themselves with the community there. It'd foster good behaviour if things happened because of some good reasons. Not just you grow because you're already the biggest. That doesn't foster anything. It's just like playing Osmos.)
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No, you're not missing out on anything. You can have multiple accounts if you wish, you can have one. Short of an instance going down that you have your account on, you can interact with it all.
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Official as in a centralized server with all the "main" stuff? No. Each server might have its own News community.
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There isn't yet, but with the way Lemmy mods are going, it won't be long. Starting to get some whiffs of mods banning people because they've voted wrongly on posts. Lemmy is unique in that it lets mods see what you've up/down voted.
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Use the ability to block entire instances, communities, or users as much as you want here. There's not some low-number limit like there was on Reddit. You'll stay much more sane that way. Like if you don't want your whole front page filled with furry porn daily, blocking lemmynsfw is a good option, without nuking all nsfw content, etc.
block furry porn?
Never. I joined lemmy specifically for the furry porn 🥵 jk
Thanks for the help!
It's important to remember that if the admins of your server defederate (disconnect, not sync) with a given server, you will not have access to that instance's posts. This is where multiple accounts can come in handy.
In response to your #3 point - this is absolute fucking ridiculous. This type of bullshit will kill Lemmy.
If the philosophy behind the platform proves true, it will just kill those instances.
Votes being public is one of my main turn offs of Lemmy. Anyone can host their own instance that federates with everyone and peek inside the database and see everything you've ever up voted or downvoted. I have personally done this just to confirm my suspicions that it is possible. I don't vote on a lot of things I otherwise would because I don't want people making assumptions about me. For example, if I see a copy/paste bot spamming a pro trans comment, even though I agree with the message, I might want to downvote because it is a spam bot. But I'm afraid that if someone sees that comment in a list of my downvotes without any context, they will incorrectly think I'm transphobic.
I get what you're saying: assumers (individuals who vomit conclusions based on little to no info) have access to this sort of info as much as decent people do. And if they're in a position of power, they can ruin your day.
However:
- If we're going to stop doing things because an assumer might interpret them wrong, we do nothing.
- As a local saying goes, "diarrhoea doesn't happen only once". If some assumptive piece of shit is, for example, banning you because it assumed why you downvoted a certain post/comment, they're likely banning other people under the same reason. This is the sort of situation where you should gang up and throw shit on the fan - transparency might benefit them, but it should also benefit you.
(In this example the right thing to do, if you notice that a post is being potentially downvoted due to transphobia, is to check the voting patterns of the poster. If they're transphobic they'll be downvoting any trans-positive post; if they're just against bots they'll be downvoting other bot posts regardless of message. Due diligence is not a "nice to have", it's obligatory - and, alongside basic reasoning, it's what tells activists and slacktivists apart.)
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With #3, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe your run-of-the-mill moderator can see upvotes and downvotes. But instance admins can, just by nature of having access to the server data. Federation wouldn't work if instances couldn't communicate upvotes and downvotes across the platform to other instances, so short of finding some way to encrypt all the data, it's an unavoidable consequence of the standard.
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Number 3 cough cough lemmy.world cough cough
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Many good answers here. So I will just say welcome. It's great to see you here.
Am I missing out on anything by not having a lemmy.world account?
Not really. If you're new it's fine to pick an instance based on location, or even at random; in fact it's better than if you went to lemmy.world (nothing against that instance, it's just a bit too big already). Later on you want to look for things like:
- do I trust the admins?
- do I like its rules?
- am I OK with the list of instances that my home instance federates or not with?
- if you're planning to create a community, can you host it there?
and if you deem appropriate you go to another instance. Or just use multiple accounts, like I do.
Reddit has a offical subreddit for Reddit news, Are there any offical communities for Lemmy?
Plenty instances have their own "meta" communities for official news and the likes. But there isn't one for the whole of the "Threadiverse" (Lemmy/PieFed/Mbin side of the Fediverse), or even for all "Lemmy instances" - because no group controls the whole.
Check !lemmy@lemmy.ml for the software itself.
You can’t post on some subreddits on Reddit if you do not have enough karma or if your account is not old enough. Are there any such rules like that on Lemmy?
So far as I know no community here prevents your participation based on account age. And global karma doesn't exist here.
Welcome to Lemmy. I see most people answered your questions but just so you're aware, the only reason world has as many users as it does is because it was basically the only instance that didn't close it's signups durring the first reddit exodus and that also had enough resources to handle the massive influx of users without completely breaking. Most people didn't pick world for any reason other than it was the only instance they could sign up for at the time. Joining any other instance is better because a more diverse fediverse is a healthier fediverse.
The reason I started an account on Lemmy.World vs sh.itjust.works, is because there was no way I was gonna tell my parents/friends/others that I saw something on 'shit just works.'
You could just say that you saw something on Lemmy regardless of the instance.
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No. That's the beauty of federation. Lemmy is not centralized like Reddit. You don't need to be on lemmy.world to see things from it or from other instances like lemm.ee, lemmy.ml, ani.social, etc. There are exceptions though, for example lemmy.world might be defederated with X instance while some other instance might be federated with that instance X. So you wouldn't be able to see things from that instance X from lemmy.world but from some other instance that is federated with X.
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Since Lemmy is not centralized, there's no "official" community (subreddits are called communities here) here. Your instance might have a meta instance community though.
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There's nothing like that here, at least not builtin. You can easily code up some bot to implement it though. !asklemmy@lemmy.world had a bot do that once when the fediverse was being spammed by some group.
Note: Do keep in mind that you CANNOT bring your comments and post with you if you want to switch instances. Only subscribed communities and some account settings. There were some discussions about using DIDs and one other tech I forgot to make that possible, but it's not implemented yet.
First, welcome!
- No, that's the beauty of federation. That said, some instances do not federate with others for a number of reasons (most admins try to keep the number of instances they "defederate" from to a minimum and only for good reasons).
So if lemmy.ca doesn't federate with badlemmy.xyz, you won't see any content from users from badlemmy.xyz from your lemmy.ca account.
- Most instances have "meta" or announcement communities where the admins post instance-specific news (announcing downtime, updates, etc). You can follow most of those communities on other instances, if you want.
For lemmy.ca, their announcement community is !announcements@lemmy.ca and they also have !main@lemmy.ca and !meta@lemmy.ca
- There's no official capability for that in Lemmy, but some communities do have "automod"s that may limit new users' abilities to post there. You'll still be able to post, but it may get auto-modded. I don't have a list of those, unfortunately.
Thank you!
I'm I missing out on anything with my world account?
Lemmy.world is defederated from quite a few big instances (most notably hexbear) but honestly most people end up blocking hexbear anyway so you're not missing much.
Yeah man, but being on the largest instance, you're missing the fun of federation. Go make a fun alt. I highly recommended dbzer0.
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For the most part, you don't miss anything. The only exception would be if there is a server that has defederated (basically disconnected) from your instance. I'd say you made a good choice with .ca since it has very few big important instances that are defederated from it.
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There are some communities on lemmy.ml (the instance run by the devs) that specifically are there for interacting with the devs. !lemmy@lemmy.ml is the main place for questions about using lemmy. Whatever client you're using should also have its own community for questions about the client itself. Generally you shouldn't ask those sorts of questions on asklemmy communities.
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Global karma isn't a thing in the lemmyverse. It's not impossible to calculate it (by adding up the karma of each post and comment on an account), but it's not a primary statistic tracked by the software itself.
Hello, i'm a .ca!
Lemmy.ca is also a site. Open in your browser and click/tap to open the sidebar. Lots of info there.
I don't have any issue with the Lemmy.ca instance. Great Admins, lots of community feedback.
!main@lemmy.ca is the main community.
- Welcome to Lemmy! I'm sure you will like it here once you've subscribed to some nice communities!
Welcome to Lemmy. I hope you enjoy your stay.
Many others have answered your three questions. So I'm gonna help get you started.
Check out: https://lemmyverse.net/communities
to help you find communities you would like to add to your feed. This can even be useful for blocking communities you're not interested in or want to see in your 'Local' or 'All' filter options.
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