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[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 204 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Good example of the goals of homeschooling and private religious schools. An army of ignorant sycophants at your beck and call

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 52 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children)

I listen to certain podcast uhumh people and they're falling over themselves for home schooling. And school vouchers.

[–] DokPsy@infosec.pub 30 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

And I'm over here pissed that the only way I can at least give my kid a chance at a decent school education is to go private. Our public schools have been systematically eroded to the point of barely being called daycare so the only way to give my kid a chance to actually learn is a private school that has the resources and small class sizes.

Imo, education should not be paywalled. Everyone should have equal access to quality education and not just "memorize these facts" and "be a good worker for the overlords" but actually be encouraged to think and understand the world as it is and how it can be

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[–] don@lemm.ee 181 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

“The American school system is failing you.”

“I was homeschooled dimwit.”

“Literally proving my point.”

“(rage)”

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 31 points 4 weeks ago

I've met a decent amount of homeschooled kids, and though most were "smart" none were really knowledgeable about most things.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 158 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

You really need to have been home schooled to think that mentioning it is a flex.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 65 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Shit I was homeschooled and I tend to keep that on the DL just due to the stigma lol. Really sucks that fundies like this ruin something that can really be beneficial for some kids. I'd stress the worst offenders of homeschooling stem from religious fundamentalism and it can be done very successfully in a secular household.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 39 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

We homeschooled our kids while we lived in Utah simply to avoid the religious fundamentalism. But we definitely also knew religious people who “homeschooled” their children, who ended up completely unable to read at age 10. Turns out spending time with the pigs doesn’t constitute a well-balanced education.

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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children)

As someone who wasn't home schooled, can you explain what the benefit is when the goal isn't to indoctrinate your kids into believing exactly what you want them to believe, especially when those beliefs go against societal norms?

Because that seems to be the only purpose from those I've seen even entertaining the idea of homeschooling, though luckily those acquaintances require dual incomes and didn't have the time.

I ask this sincerely. Because it seems like if you want a better education than public school offers, supplementing their normal school with additional home lessons seems better for their socialization, and gives the best of both worlds.

I can see an argument if the kids have special needs that aren't being met at school, or insulation from extreme bullying. But both of those seem to lead to a rude awakening when they're eventually forced into the real world.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children)

Well for background my wife was public schooled and did pretty well. Honors, AP classes, extracurriculars, good grades,etc. Ultimately she still felt held back while also having similar concerns to me with how public school can shape a child, and we ultimately discussed this over the years candidly before having kids and came to the conclusion that we would try homeschooling. Our state partially contributed to that decision, similar to the other user's reply mentioning being in Utah.

I don't want to put down teachers or public schools because I do believe they have a positive benefit of lifting these boats but let's also be clear: they're very much a cookie-cutter one-size-fits-all institution. They don't do well with outliers. The very notion of these institutions seemed born more out of the fact that our system needed child daycare to maintain an adult workforce undistracted from raising kids. I'll rapid-fire some of our bigger reasons for choosing to homeschool our kids:

Public School tends to be where creativity and passion go to the die. My wife (the smarter better half) talked about this. She suffered serious burnout and as a result by the time college came around lost a lot of interest despite her being very book-smart and having photographic memory. She always admired my own passion and curiosity for knowledge by contrast.

Peer-pressure, band-wagoning fallacies are potent. In public school there very much exists this Blind-Leading-the-Blind mentality that shapes right from wrong — popular from unpopular. That can be extremely detrimental and crippling especially to those who tend to be outsiders by default. When you have fellow children dictating norms more so than adults, that can set up an extremely toxic environment.

And that's reflected in rising adolescent suicidal/homicidal rates. And while I'm here and despite the statistical improbability I'd be remiss if I didn't say we had concern for school shootings just the same. It should be noted that my own mom pulled my older sister from school because of bullying and sexual harassment and that's where it all began for the rest of us. (I should point out that at the time my household was religious, though I wouldn't go so far as to say fundamentalist. We've all since changed from conservative religious Republicans to progressive leftist non-religious Democrats... Well except one of my siblings).

Related to the former, there tends to be less adult oversight and less dedicated attention. In Public schools you get 1:15 or 1:30 teacher-student ratios; with homeschooling you have a PARENT who cares more about your future than any teacher would in a 1:1-4 ratio, generally. And again not to downplay what teachers do, but the vast majority of grade-school work isn't post-graduate by definition... There are well-established curricula and teaching methods that can be used as templates. And in this day, it's easier than ever with massive resources that weren't even fully available to my generation: state resources, supplementary cyber-school programs, robust libraries, etc.

While there isn't a ton of data out there, what does exist seems to show that homeschooled kids do tend to perform above-average both academically in life satisfaction. I'll dig up my sources of these for those further interested. There is a lot of concern about socialization, which you can still get by becoming involved in local communities, get into team sports, martial arts, improv/theater, volunteer work, etc. Ultimately I think there is just as much risk to public school teaching the wrong kind of social skills as opposed to learning the good kind.

Do I think homeschooling is for everyone? No. And that applies not just to the uniqueness of the child but also the circumstances and willingness of the parents. On the flip-side, I don't believe public schooling is for everyone either. I don't think I would've done well, but I do think someone like my sister would have. There are particular advantages in precision-targeting education to interests and personality. Catering to adhd, autism, social sensitivities, etc.

We want our kid to be surrounded by adults who love them; to be role-models rather than the loudest biggest kid in their classroom. We want our kids to maintain their passion for curiosity and learning and to grow in their own unique way without being forced into a one-size-fits-all cookie-cutter box often found in public schools.

To your final point that often gets raised about, "preparing for the real world," the "real world" is QUITE different from public school, which can feel like an inescapable prison for many kids. Why? Because they have no agency as an adolescent. They are forced to go back to their hell-hole every day and not even have a modicum of protection from the school who tends to look the other way. Meanwhile your own parents have very limited capacity to help you.... But when you're an adult... At least there's a level of decorum even for those bullies who grow up... And at least you have the capacity to say fuck-you in most cases and ghost someone, leave your job, and so forth. A child doesn't have nearly the same agency, which is what makes school so difficult for many. And sure, some come through the other side despite severe bullying successfully, but I'd caution against making a survivor-bias fallacy.

Hopefully this gives a little insight into our perspective even if you may not necessarily agree personally.

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[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Same. I tend not to mention it, especially IRL. I fucking loved it, and feel like I got a much better education than most public schools offer. But fucking fundamentalists make me feel like if someone finds out then they're going to assume I'm a cousin fucker who thinks the planet is 300 years old and that Jesus rode a dinosaur to rescue America from the communists.

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 39 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I was raised young earth evangelical and home schooled K-12.

That is not a flex, I have just summarized the trauma that is defining my middle years of life as I deconstruct and unpack it - now that I recognize it as the trauma that it is.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 weeks ago

Good on you for realizing it and working to fix it ! Unfortunately many have fallen for the lies they were fed and never will realize it.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 93 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Right wing motherfuckers who froth at their mouth complaining against making ultra rich pay their fair share have annual family income of $45k

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 43 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They wouldn't want to make more money because that would mean they'd have to pay a higher tax rate. Don't try to explain how tax brackets actually work because you'll just make them angry for highlighting their ignorance.

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[–] ampersandcastles@lemmy.ml 79 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

In all fairness, no one actually teaches what communism is because then everyone would be a communist.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

Well 90 to 95 percent of us would be. The other 5-10 percent would be afraid to have their wealth redistributed, and would do anything they could to not let it happen. Kind of like what they do now.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Communism depends on the people on top not being greedy fucks who will just keep the power instead of distributing it. Humans aren't like that. We're greedy for power and we won't share it from the top down.

Socialism is much better as it works within the confines of the established system and just wants to alter it. Communism work on paper but humans are the part of the plan that doesn't work. By the way I say this as a survivor of a murderous, Communist regime.

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 74 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I love how this person thinks being homeschooled is a flex

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 47 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

"Not only was I poorly educated but I also don't know how to socialize."

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

One of the first rules of homeschool is instilling your child with a fear and hatred of the outside world.

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[–] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

my siblings are like this. I'm embarrassed to admit to it, but they run around telling other people that their public education was shit and being homeschooled is so superior lol. i don't understand it other than maybe they're coping. I've worked hard to overcome being homeschooled and actively try to educate myself.

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 74 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

I have never seen a home schooled person who wasn't a complete shitshow.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 59 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

That's because the ones who aren't keep it a secret.

[–] Kayday@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Seriously. I was homeschooled K-12, but in real life I only mention it when asked, and it feels embarrassing.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

IMO the only time homeschooling makes sense is if your mom is a teacher that became disabled or something and it was more practical to teach you at home.

Otherwise it's just a huge waste of time and missed opportunity to make friends and learn social interactions

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, we don't have homeschooling in my country, it's just not allowed and I feel like most people would assume you are mega weird. I'd automatically assume some brainwashed maga cultist flat earther anti vaxxer.

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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 27 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I was homeschooled and like to think I am only half a shitshow, whilst unapologetically and enthusiastically supporting Harris and Walz.

*Important context, my entire immediate and extended family is far-right, including my mother who did said homeschooling. She and my brother were at Jan 6th and, I suspect, were in the Capitol. Though I have not found them on any videos.

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I was homeschooled K-12 and I'm definitely a shitshow... But at least my parents were just hippies, not Christians

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[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

every post war consensus policy in regards to collectivizing power from the wealthy and redistributing to everyone else

Am I reading this pretentious word salad right? Is this guy saying that communism has been the political consensus in the US since the fucking WW2?

And by god is he trying to show off he has read two or three books in his life with that vocabulary.

[–] Enkrod 10 points 4 weeks ago

I think he's saying that democracy (equalizing political power) has been the political consensus in the US since WW2.

And he's obviously against it.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 49 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

First, that's socialism, they're not 1:1. Second, stripping wealth & power from the top and redistributing amongst the workers is a great plan. And third, Giga Chud there being the homeschooled makes perfect sense.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 41 points 4 weeks ago (23 children)

Harris is explicitly a communist.

Man, I wish.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 29 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I wish Democrats were as cool as Republicans make them out to be.

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Trump: "Harris is gonna take away your private health insurance."

Me: "You son of a bitch. How dare you threaten me with a good time that is clearly never going to happen."

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 4 weeks ago

I'm here to kick ass and teach theory and I'm done teaching theory.

  • Comrade Kamala Harris
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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 40 points 4 weeks ago

Oh, so it was your parents that failed you. That's rough man...

[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 33 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Right wingers are so fucking stupid

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 33 points 4 weeks ago

at least he admits that he's a dimwit.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 33 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

So he admits the country is an oligarchy and wants it to stay that way?

[–] pufferfisherpowder@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago

It's what God intended when he founded the United States of Jesus!

[–] BJHanssen@lemmy.world 31 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

‘Collectivizing power from the wealthy’ also known as… democracy? Is the anti-communist just saying the quiet part out loud here?

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 26 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

You telling me that awkward, weird mofo was home schooled?? Noooo! S/

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago

"collectivizing" 😂

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