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I got my hearing professionally checked today and all is normal. But I have difficulty hearing people I am dining with, talking in restaurants. Is it me, or is the music just too damn loud?!

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[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 118 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's to encourage you to eat faster and leave, so your table is available for the next victim.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is it. It's why seats/stools look nice but feel uncomfortable after 20 or so minutes.

[–] tuckerm@supermeter.social 50 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I remember seeing this on the news a few years ago. If I remember right, they were interviewing a design firm that does interior design for fast food and fast casual restaurants, and they were talking about all of this. I was really surprised at how candid they were being, since you would think that they would want this to be an industry secret.

The high stools with no back, the music that is too loud, the lights that are a little too bright and kind of hanging down in your field of view: all intentional, so that you're just ever so slightly uncomfortable and you leave a few minutes sooner.

[–] Lyre@lemmy.ca 61 points 4 months ago
  1. Create environment actively hostile to remain in for long periods of time
  2. Expect people to work and be productive in said environment for hours on end
[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Explains why I don't like eating out and never cared for paying for stuff like the ambiance even at fancy restaurants and prefer take out.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.run 7 points 4 months ago

As a person with digestive problems that lead to hemorrhoids, this one in particular feels like a big fuck you.

[–] Kattiydid@slrpnk.net 65 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I have ADHD and I find I have lots of difficulties with auditory processing in high noise floor situations. Also got my hearing checked because I couldn't understand people in loud spaces. Turns out ADHD brains just don't handle processing all that noise well. If I understand it correctly it's because we need to process everything at the same level instead of some things being easy to leave on autopilot. Might not be your case but it sounded familiar so, that's my two bits.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Wow this sounds so familiar. I need to learn more. Any resources you could recommend?

[–] Kattiydid@slrpnk.net 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

https://screening.mhanational.org/screening-tools/adhd/ This seems like a useful test to me for getting a better idea if you should talk to a psychiatrist or not. It's ups and downs getting diagnosed, especially as an adult. I had one psychiatrist give me their full test and questionnaire and decided I was borderline but wouldn't diagnose me or prescribe anything, (I was already on a med that helped but not any of the controlled ones) The next psychiatrist I went to a few years later didn't even have me do the test, we had an in person appointment, (which I was late to) and after we'd talked for about 20 minutes I asked "so, when do we schedule the ADHD assessment?" He said "Oh, no, we don't need to do one, you very clearly have ADHD." XD Honestly though I learned more about it from the experiences of people on social media who had it than I ever learned from a doctor. I'd start with searching ADHD hashtags and see if you resonate with other people's experiences.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Since you mentioned you got your hearing checked and everything is okay... Auditory Processing Disorder is a pretty common neurodivergence with a lot of overlap with ADHD/OCD/depression/anxiety/et al. It's common with any or all of the others, but it shows up in neurotypical people too.

I'm ADHD and have APD as well :)

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[–] 30p87 6 points 4 months ago

So you're basically saying we're doing manual processing of the output stream instead of using pipewires inbuilt filters, like in the PulseAudio days?

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 40 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Apparently, these restaurants want to make your dining experience unpleasant, so you won't linger over your meal. The sooner you leave, the sooner they can replace you with another paying customer. You probably shouldn't give these places your business.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago (13 children)

exactly, hence why coffee shops in particular play the same three obnoxious Christmas songs on repeat during the season. They don't want you to stay, they want you pay and leave.

I will say that this tactic is just forcing people to invest in better headphones, but I lament that we're now in an auditory arms race for merely existing in a public space

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

"Simply . . . Having . . . a Wonderful Christmas Time!"

/sorry

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

That's what I have done. Entered and then walked right out without ordering anything.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 38 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Tile or concrete floors, hard surface walls, glass windows all reflect sound. As people start talking, if they are drinking they get louder, so then each table is trying to talk over the tables around them. Without acoustic damping, it can get pretty loud.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 8 points 4 months ago

That's a big part of it, but some people are just loud and some restaurants just play their music way too loud all the time.

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[–] pip@slrpnk.net 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is exactly why during my solo shift I turn off the music completely. I want silence. Beautiful, delicious silence.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

Bless you my sweet baby child.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Hmm. Processing disorders are a thing.

Some restaurants do have damn loud music, though. Most don't where I live but that's probably regional.

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 4 months ago

Because you choose to keep going to restaurants where they play loud music. No idea why you're doing that

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that so many places don't adjust the volume properly to the amount of people in the place. If I go to a sports bar near me for happy hour, they have the music the same volume as when a big game is on and the place is packed.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It seems the music is set for the staff instead of the customers too.

[–] HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

β€œTurn it up loud enough we don’t have to hear these assholes complain”

You may have just nailed the motivation.

[–] hogmomma@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

It's not you. If I'm at a RESTAURANT and can't hear my friends, I leave. I won't spend money at a place I have to yell to be heard (unless there's a band I specifically want to see or I'm at a bar, but even bars have limits).

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

It's too loud most places.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Often because the staff is bored silly and want music to get through their minimum wage shift.

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[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Might be relevant, but I find that American restaurants are generally louder compared to European ones.

Side note: And why is ithe music always fucking neo-country? Sure, I've mostly been to Texas, but I have several albums in my CD collection as a testament to y'all making good music too.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It isn't. My favorite restaurant--Kuma's Korner, on Belmont in Chicago--is always playing metal.

Goddamn I miss that place... :(

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[–] Drusas@kbin.run 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My experience in American restaurants is that the music is usually whatever is currently popular, so there's a lot of hip hop and pop songs about dancing and fucking.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I personally avoid such places. There are many who make live music a selling point, which always plays super loud to the point where any chat can only happen by shouting into someone else's ear. How people like this is beyond me

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Pro-tip: Even in a loud place you can (and should!) speak with your normal voice (e.g. no shouting) when having your mouth an inch or two from the other person's ear. They will hear you just fine, even if you can't hear yourself.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 11 points 4 months ago

Talking customers take longer to gtfo their tables so they can stick someone else in .

In India, restaurants generally play smooth music at near audible levels.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

They blast loud because if you start talking with your friends and eat slowly and spend a lot of time their eating little.

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 6 points 4 months ago

I once read that it's an epigenetic thing and it can be found across the animal kingdom. Some animals are born more sensitive and others less and this is important for the species or social group as a whole. This actually happens on a neuron level.

The less sensitive kind needs to actively search out stimulation, whereas you can leave the more sensitive one alone with a flower and they'll be a happy camper.

And there's so much more to it, for example developmental. Have you ever noticed the difference in sound levels in people's homes? In some places it's just like a warzone. TV on max, dogs barking, kids screaming. Imagine growing up with that. Like a fish in water.

And then there's all the processing disorders..

You can train yourself though if you value it. I enjoy encounters and it bothered me a lot, so I just kept going to busy cafΓ©s and bars until my brain finally got the memo. It keeps surprising me how my hearing has become like a sort of precision microphone.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Off topic, but related to unwanted noise. Why do white waitstaff/restaurants interupt you when you are talking to someone to ask you "How is everything? Everyone doing ok?". removed look at the plate. I haven't touched it since you gave it to me 30 seconds ago. Take a note from Asians. Silently fill the water, observe the vibe, and go if no one says anything. Or some Latino restaurants where they won't do anything unless you explicitly call them over and ask. I'd take loud music you have to shout over if Cindi with a 'i' doesn't interupt conversations.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago

That shit annoys me too. I was just at a restaurant today where the waitress would not only interrupt but then linger to babble on and on. Like bitch I'm on a date, fill my drink and fuck off.

I agree, asian places have the best service. Super respectful and I do appreciate that.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

It's to ensure your food is up to expectations. Mistakes happen, and a busy dining room dictates a server will help you when they can, not necessarily when you try to flag them down.

[–] anytimesoon@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Definitely an american thing. I always find it annoying when I travel there. Also, bringing the bill with desert. Let me finish my meal first before giving me hints to get the fuck out

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I can understand where you are coming from, from the other perspective, I have gone into places gotten my food, got my dessert, they don’t bring the bill. 40 minutes later I’m asking a different waiter to get me my check because my waiter never came back.

I’d rather they bring the check right away so I can pay them leave when I want.

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[–] numberfour002@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

It doesn't seem to be a super common, general thing where I live. However, there are some more prone to it than others, like places that have a bar and/or otherwise serve alcohol. Typically though it's only the nights they do live music and that's most often weekends and around specific holidays.

Mostly I just avoid pretty much any establishment if they've got live entertainment for the night and I'm there to eat as well as talk with others. I avoid any that are particularly egregious in terms of loud music. I have been with a group where we asked if the volume could be turned down on the speakers one night at a live event where we were one of only a few tables in the entire place and it was clear that nobody was particularly interested in damaging their hearing. The manager slowly slinked over to the performers about 5 - 10 minutes after the request, and they stopped playing shortly after.

[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago

Most respectable places have music that is loud at the beginning of service when there are few diners, but then the music gets lower as time goes on and the place fills up.

....not that I reread this, I'm really not implying you dont go to reputable places....really

[–] menemen@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

In some crowded places they do it, so it doesn't feel like a central station.

[–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 3 points 4 months ago

Switched on Pop: Gastropod: Why are restaurants so loud? Plus the science behind the perfect playlist

Episode webpage: http://www.switchedonpop.com

Media file: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/chtbl.com/track/524GE/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP8607546877.mp3?updated=1715910884

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