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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 106 points 14 hours ago (8 children)

These immigrant haters are so dumb it's hard to get my head around. Illegals are the modern answer to slavery. They work their ass off for shit wages, pay taxes and get zero government benefits. And these rubes want to crash that system?!

Do they think Americans are going to the fields to pick watermelons?

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 25 points 12 hours ago

This will be the main test of whether Trumpism rules or capital rules. The rich people love Republican tax cuts and deregulation, which was the main product of his first term (coincidentally everything the rich didn't like failed), but going after cheap immigrant labor or taxing their foreign sweat shops is going to stir up some behind the scenes conflict. Voters are stupid (e.g., "did Biden drop out" searches), they'll be surprised when the leopards eat their face, the rich people are well aware that the leopards are dangerous and hope that their leopard control devices can get them through unscathed with an even greater piece of the pie.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 50 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

They think the poorest Americans won't have a choice. They dont realize theres actually not enough people to fill out all these freshly vacated "opportunities".

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 36 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone will find out again what Georgia and Arizona learned and then forgot that it isn't that there isn't enough people, it's that White folks are snowflakes that can't handle the hard ass work.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 20 points 14 hours ago

No, they don't realize why their strawberry packages are $2.

You are right, and OP is right.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I think you misunderstand the plan. See, a good portion of other jobs will be taken by robots, offshore help, and AI. This leads to firing those employees at those companies where the jobs were taken over, and since there is no UBI and the available jobs will have massive competition, the people will have to take those jobs, be thrown in prison, or be homeless and persecuted (possibly executed) by authorities.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Thrown into private prisons then forced to work in those farm fields as a way for the private prison industry to make more profits.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Nope, what you said is exactly what I think

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Ah! I misinterpreted what you wrote. Sorry about that.

Ugh, I really hope it doesn’t turn into that at all.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Its going to. This isn't going away. The Rubes are back with a vengeance abd they're cementing their rule.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

And if they succeed in cementing the Christian theocracy they can control them through religion. They only want freedom for themselves to subjugate everyone else.

[–] numbermess@fedia.io 21 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Had this conversation with my stepmom. She is complaining that peaches cost $1 each. She thinks this is too expensive and that the cost will go down now. I'm quietly kind of amazed that she thinks that she'll even find a peach that didn't rot on the ground for less than $10 or whatever they will cost once the labor goes up. I didn't say anything to her about it because it just doesn't matter anymore. It is pointless even to converse about any topic. We experience separate realities. She believes happy days are finally here, and I just don't care if she sees another peach ever again in her lifetime. Whatever happens to the peaches is her fault.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

If she watches Faux or listens to hate radio, it's going to be impossible to talk to them.

I consider people that let hate radio and Faux take a dump in their brain daily more or less zombies on any politically related topic.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

You should have slapped her.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 29 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

The part that absolutely baffles me is that latinos shifted heavily to vote for Trump, for potentially the deportation of their own family members.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 26 points 12 hours ago

was speaking with a colleague who lives near Padre - he said he had family members that felt, 'we're legal, we'll be fine, they'll just get rid of the newcomers'

they don't understand this is not a new thing and is racially driven, not truly an immigration issue.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago

We told them the leopard was right fucking there and that it loves eating faces. They didn't believe us.

Oh well. 🤷

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I worked with a Mexican Trump supporter. He hated illegal immigrants because he immigrated legally and he was pissed they got away with it the "easy way".

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

My question to that petty AF dude is, "so what? Can you mind your own fucking business, or are you a sniveling bitch?"

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Mine is: My guy…Pedro hiking through the desert with nothing but half a jug of water and the clothes on his back is not the enemy. The suits shipping labor overseas and still employing undocumented immigrant labor here create this situation and hurting some poor immigrant/refugee seeker doesn’t change anything about that. Punch up not down

Or are you a sniveling bitch

[–] lath@lemmy.world 30 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"Before you say anything, just hear me out. There's like tons of prisons everywhere, so what if we march the prisoners at gunpoint to work the fields, for free?" ~ Trump administration, probably

[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 31 points 13 hours ago

100% I think a lot of people don't realize that prisons are modern slavery. Need more slave labor? Send protesters to the gulag.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 17 points 14 hours ago

Do they think Americans are going to the fields to pick watermelons?

Yes, yes they do. They'll cheer the new federal child labor laws that allow for it and the increased prison population that will be forced to work the fields

[–] Jinni@sh.itjust.works 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This defense of not deporting people just highlights our issues with labor. This acknowledges that underpaid labor is a necessary part of our economic system.

I am against the deportation of these people but I would not justify it by justifying the system that is trying to under value all of our labor.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

underpaid labor is a necessary part of our economic system

It is if we want to continue our current standard of living. It's either that or stomp the capitalists at the top of these corporations. Which do you think will actually happen?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

I think it's about terrorizing their workforces. Construction, ag, meat packing, so many conservative heavy segments of the economy both import enormous amounts of labor, AND, want to legislate the threats to this population.