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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I migrated from mediawiki to markdown in git 8 years ago and never looked back. The ability to publish to any number of static site hosts, and use any number of editors, some that have preview mode, is rad. Data liberty, data portability, wide support, easy to convert, easy to grep, good enough for 95% of written notes.

My biggest gripe is poor support for tables of data.

[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ugh tables are really the killer. If my editor doesn't support tables then I avoid them like the plague.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What do you mainly use that supports tables?

[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

I use obsidian. It have been pretty happy with it's table support lately. It used to be much worse.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

org-mode

I don't use it though. I tried and forgot

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (7 children)

That website was the fastest loading website I’ve ever visited.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

I felt like I was back in the 2000s when I first got cable internet, but before ads took over everything.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

That thing loaded before I even click the link.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

You made me click the link out of pure skepticism. You were not exaggerating.

[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago

You'd like the mcmaster-carr website.

[–] stetech@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You will probably be a fan of https://kagi.com, then. I know it’s what I first noticed and what stood out to me a couple years back…

[–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I pay for and use kagi, but it is one of the slowest websites I use, so I am not really sure what this comment is referencing? Is it fast for others?

[–] stetech@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hm, really? Curios, because it most definitely is quite fast for me… May I ask (very approximately) what region you’re living in? Maybe they lack a data center “nearby”?

[–] Zeoic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I am connected to their US-East server, with a latency often around 70. Not really sure where that datacenter is, but I am in southern Ontario, Canada. We often get put onto servers in New York or around there.

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It loaded quicker than this comment section on my Lemmy app

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Static webpage generator like Hugo, probably.

[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 months ago

Interesting stuff, but my main takeaway is that very little of my output is worth keeping! (Who's going to need out-of-context Star Trek shitposts in 20 years?)

[–] addie@feddit.uk 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Man alive, all that time I wasted learning LaTeX in that case. Supports tables properly, "floats" pictures and figures about without messing up the flow of text, exceptional support for equations, beautiful printed output...

Suffers from a completely insane macro-writing language, and its markup is more intrusive in the text than markdown's is. Also, if you have very specific formatting output requirements (for a receiving publication, for instance) then it can be somewhat painful to whip into shape. Plain-text gang forever, though.

[–] dreugeworst@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

haaave you heard about our lord and saviour Typst?

same layout algorithm as LaTeX, but:

  • simpler markup
  • sane, consistent scripting language
  • fast compilation, including incremental updates so you can have a process watching your file and instantly create a new PDF on changes
  • easy collaborative editing through their web app
  • actually understandable error messages
[–] addie@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

Now that sounds interesting!

[–] Extrawurst 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I have a tendency to jump between different note-taking services. Markdown seems like it could maybe be a cure for me.. By now i have no idea where I should look for a note I know I’ve taken, is it in notion, onenote, apple notes, and so on..

[–] breadguy@fedia.io 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

gotta hop on obsidian, everybody's doin it

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

Obligatory Logseq vote

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[–] Karmmah@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I've tried a few different note taking apps but I'm sticking with obsidian even though it is not open source because it saves everything in a simple folder structure as markdown files and simple images. I like that even without the program you can just search for the names of the images or notes on your system.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I use Obsidian with Zettel Notes on my phone to access and edit the MD files in Obsidian, as it is much faster for dashing off a quick note. ZN also has tools that allow you to save a web page or selection as MD which is very handy indeed.

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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

I wholly disagree with this after using markdown for everything for a few reasons, but it may work for some people if you really love operating from a basic CLI. Some people also get by with storing everything in plain-text files as well. Why not, plain-text will still be supported as well.

Markdown, especially CommonMark, will likely never provide what you want. Is it convenient when you have hundreds or thousands of files to manually manage? Most likely you'll constantly be searching for ways to make markdown work more like a word processor & CMS, because what you really want is a powerful WYSIWYG content management platform.

I'm not going to judge someone if they are content with basic markdown. It isn't my place to. But to make a statement like, "if it is worth keeping, save it in Markdown" is preaching from a bubble.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The articles point was that markdown (or other similar utf-8 text based documents) is the best guarantee you have for the files being usable into the indefinite future. As you get into the complicated formats of things like word processors the less likely that format will be meaningfully usable in 10,20,50 years time, good luck reading a obsolete word processor file from the 80s today.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

LibreOffice opens my old WordPerfect documents just fine. What didn't last was the compact diskettes that some of them were lost to.

[–] muelltonne 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

WordPerfect really comes from a different time. Good look reading the stuff from your iOS notes app that saves everything somewhere in the cloud and that has no export option in 10 years.

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[–] makyo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Agree and disagree. There is a place for sophisticated management tools but when they stop getting supported or they're purchase by a company you hate, you're left scrambling to convert everything.

Best case for me anyway are sophisticated tools that use markdown as the basis of their files like Obsidian. So I know if they disappear I still have all my data in a universal format without any effort on my end.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

WYSIWYG, Word Processors and CMSs are the kind of thing I don't even want for my current content (or any content I made in the last 25+ years), why would I want any of them as an archive format?

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

The important thing is that it needs to be in a human-readable format encoded as unicode text. Beyond that, any reasonable markup (plaintext, markdown, org-mode, HTML, etc.) is fine.

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

The problem with Markdown is it kind of sucks. CommonMark didn't even defragment the markdown world, since there are numerous incompatible extensions. It seems like gfm is the best among them, or at least the most featureful.

I know there are other options like RST or AsciiDoc, but I don't know which among them is actually "the best."

[–] kresten@lemmy.wtf 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No print it, everything digital needs a fairly complex machinery to work.

[–] Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Do both and use the digital copy to print a new physical copy every x years.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Handwritten HTML with limited tags works just as well for many purposes (just forbid div, span, and a few others and the complexity you see in most webpages evaporates). The important part is using a text-based format from which information can be extracted even if the fancier display protocols become obsolete.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not really. HTML has a formal standard and definition that covers how to properly handle most corner cases that can arise when displaying it. Markdown has no overarching formal standard and exists in multiple dialects which are not always compatible with each other.

On the gripping hand, HTML involves more keystrokes (and technically speaking you need to include a bit of boilerplate in the file for it to be proper HTML). So it depends on whether you're willing to do a bit more typing to make sure that no one can possibly confuse your italics with boldface.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Tags interfere with human readability. Open any markdown file with a text editor in plain text and you can basically read the whole thing as it was intended to be read, with possibly the exception of tables.

There's a time and a place for different things, but I like markdown for human readable source text. HTML might be standardized enough that you can do a lot more with it, but the source file itself generally isn't as readable.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

Me with folders upon folders of plain .txt:

[–] poddus@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

the sauna picture was a weird example though...

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

AFAIK there's no way to format an underline in markdown.

Anyone know of a workaround?

[–] Batman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Think html renders. May not be exactly right but where I'd start

There will be a few tickets available at the box office tonight.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

To this day, most of what I do is just in plaintext with indentation and - denoting lists. I can still read my notes from literal decades ago without issue. Markdown adds an unnecessary step for my personal notekeeping.

[–] bikooo2@r.nf 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I like more Org Mode but I know that Markdown now, is more universal, But... The best of both formats is that I can use any plain text editor for read and editing it

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