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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago

I've heard people suggest that school shooters stop butchering our kids, and instead throw their lives away doing something useful that will have them remembered as heroes.

[–] droans@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There was a school shooting on the same day Thompson was killed. Without looking it up, can anyone name a single victim?

I'm not saying I support murder, but I don't understand why I should care more about his life than those who are objectively more innocent.

[–] ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

We don’t care about his life either. It’s what he represents and how life goes on without him (possibly improved for people saved after execs have to fear for the policies they adapt).

[–] Roopappy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

it seems dangerous that they would explicitly name Lisa Monaco, Benjamin Mizer, and Elizabeth Prolegar as the corrupted DOJ people who support the health insurance cartel over the citizenry.

[–] recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's fine, I'm pressuring the neighborhood schizophrenics to directly pressure healthcare CEOs.

Pressure is fun, right health insurance leaders? It can make all sorts of fun things happen. Brian ~~knows~~ knew this, if only for a few seconds.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree with you about CEO's but please stop using schizophrenic people as a joke or prop.

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Right? They probably mean Dissociative Identity Disorder too.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Idk usually that's the case, but when I think "mentally ill in a way that's susceptible to being pressured to kill rich people" I'm more inclined to think paranoid schizophrenics than did folks. Still shouldn't use them as a joke like that.

[–] VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This reminds me of a neat history lesson:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-the-tragedy-at-buffalo

History doesnt repeat, but it certainly rhymes.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

It wasnt Czolgosz or Mangione that sat at the reigns of a murder machine sanctioned by baron-owned-state monopoly of violence.

Goldman, for her part, had such a big heart for those driven to desperate acts.

Throughout her detention and after her release, Goldman steadfastly refused to condemn Czolgosz's actions, standing virtually alone in doing so. Friends and supporters—including Berkman—urged her to quit his cause. But Goldman defended Czolgosz as a "supersensitive being" and chastised other anarchists for abandoning him.[75] She was vilified in the press as the "high priestess of anarchy",[76] while many newspapers declared the anarchist movement responsible for the murder.[77] In the wake of these events, socialism gained support over anarchism among US radicals. McKinley's successor, Theodore Roosevelt, declared his intent to crack down "not only against anarchists, but against all active and passive sympathizers with anarchists".[78]

Berkman wasnt shit. Emma was a real one

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Of course they did, wouldn't expect anything else.

[–] wheres_frank@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 days ago

Who are these leaders? Names? Addresses?

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 days ago

I'm shocked! Shocked I say!

.... Well, not that shocked.

I mean, really, who didn't see this one? It was pretty blatant. The fact that we have confirmed reports of it is nice, but c'mon.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When are we going to pressure the DOJ to prosecute health insurance leaders for the deaths (just one example) caused by their actions?

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Department of what, now?

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Corporate Justice. The C is silent.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

about the same time we hold politicians for the people they murder.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 238 points 3 days ago

"Those who make peaceful reform impossible make violent revolution inevitable."

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 136 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You mean to tell me that going from the street to trial in less than a month, from what would normally be a single murder charge isn't the normal way of things??

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

He's only made his plea. Yes, that part happens quickly.

EDIT: Look at the upvotes on the parent comment. Y'all are really dumb enough to think this man is going to trial right now.

It's misinformation, it's ignorance, it may even be a lie. Downvote this crap.

[–] xor@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

thank you for having some sanity….
i’m pro luigi, anti health industrialization… but yes obviously the doj will charge you for shooting someone.
the terrorism charge is probably where the pressure went

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No, it's not obvious. The DOJ rarely charges anybody with murder. It's almost always charged under state law, in state courts. Sebastian Zapeta-Calil hasn't been charged with a federal crime, and probably won't be.

[–] xor@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

the interstate aspect of it makes it kinda federal…

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Zapeta-Calil came from out of the country, so the same applies to him.

[–] xor@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

that’s not how it works….
luigi, allegedly, traveled across state lines for the sole purpose of the killing, and immediately left the state.
Zapeta-Calil was living in ny and committed a murder while he was there. He didn’t travel there just to burn someone… he was there already and did it….
but god damn that’s a horrible way to die. the worst i can imagine except for some deliberately slow torture….

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's not unheard of in other cases, and the DOJ doesn't charge the killer with federal murder charges. Rittenhouse, for example. The story here is that the DOJ did something unusual under pressure from corporate interests.

[–] xor@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

rittenhouse should’ve been federal… but he (supposedly) crossed state lines to enforce the law and ended up murdering someone….
i think he hoped to murder someone but still, it’s different and pretty clearly a federal case.
….
they definitely selectively enforce it, like when some anarchists drove from portland to Seattle in order to spray paint a courthouse during a protest: that became federal charges because they anarchists, mostly….
i was honestly surprised when states were charging luigi instead of the feds at first

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 196 points 3 days ago (3 children)

the top three DOJ officials under Attorney General Merrick Garland have all represented massive healthcare companies during their respective stints in private practice before joining the DOJ.

Because of COURSE they did! 🤦🤬

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The club you are in it's bigger though, they don't want you to find out about it.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's more of us than there are of them.

To put it another way:

There's more Luigi's than there are healthcare CEOs.

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Something something el pueblo unido ✊

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 55 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago

He never hasn't been.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Always was but yeah, seems moreso now than ever before. Because it's gotten worse AND because we've gotten more aware of it.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 44 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The awareness is lovely to see.

Interestingly enough I don’t think we’d have arrived here without COVID. It broke the routine, slowed the inertia, pushed self reflection.

And it made the house of cards that is the healthcare system visible to all.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I agree completely.

It also disproved the "once the crisis is big enough, everyone will hold hands and work together for the common good" myth that pro-establishment people used to trot out to mollify critics of the status quo.

The people radicalized by a combination of the inequities of the status quo and the gaslighting of opportunistic far right politicians (who are of course themselves very much part of the establishment) didn't suddenly set their collective delusions of self-sufficiency and their scapegoating of vulnerable people aside to help themselves and other people get through the pandemic as safely as possible. They only got WORSE.

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[–] logi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People keep conflating health care providers with the insurance companies which are in the health care denial business. These are not at all the same.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lisa Monaco, the Deputy U.S. Attorney General previously worked as a partner at the law firm O'Melveny & Myers LLP. At O'Melveny & Myers, Monaco represented Humana–the fifth largest U.S. health insurance company–according to her financial disclosures. Notably, O'Melveny & Myers also successfully defended United Health in a suit brought by United health group insured patients earlier this year.

Health "insurance" company, not provider.

The number three at DOJ, Acting Associate AG Benjamin Mizer, also represented healthcare and pharmaceutical giant Sanofi-Aventis, among others firms.

While not an insurance company, Sanofi-Aventis (now Sanofi) was provably corrupt and predatory on multiple occasions in multiple countries and was/is VERY much part of the same problem as United Health and the rest of the health insurance leech industry.

Finally, #4 at DOJ, Solicitor General Elizabeth Prolegar, reported Lumos Pharma, Syneos Health, and Amgen, as former clients on her disclosure.

Syneos have been sued for firing people who take family leave that they're legally entitled to and Amgen pleaded guilty to guilty to improper marketing that put patients at risk

In conclusion: while you're technically right that only one of them worked for INSURANCE companies, they all worked for health sector companies that were and are part of the problem, so it's a distinction without importance in this case.

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 130 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh, look, they did a corruption

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

For the rich, that's an "oopsie 🤭"

For the poor, that's a paddlin'.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 103 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Privatization of the government working well

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Drain the swamp so the water feature can be filled with leopards.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 12 points 3 days ago

Merrick Garland showing he was always a Republican.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 3 days ago

The state is just the armed wing of capitalism.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 33 points 3 days ago

Kill them, too.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 days ago
[–] HootinNHollerin@quokk.au 42 points 3 days ago

Bought and sold

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago
[–] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 3 days ago
[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (6 children)
[–] anachronist@midwest.social 43 points 3 days ago

Nah he's not a white collar criminal who destroyed the lives of millions.

Biden might be willing to posthumously pardon Brian Thompson for his insider trading crimes though.

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