Asklemmy

I have tried Apple products before (2 iPods as gifts). All the good memories I have are from pirating them, the bad ones are from the base operation of the products. An Apple product on its own is a terrible experience. Only together with other products of the same brand is it worth it. But to achieve that you have to pawn your whole life and almost join a cult.

Besides, I'm not willing to pay a crazy amount of money for a device that does what my current phone already does but better (for my needs).

I have no reason to switch. Android is generally better and upper-end android phones are much better.

I categorically refuse to use anything made by Apple.

Apple products are terrible and overpriced. I don't understand why anyone would ever use one.

And that's been true since before the year 2000.

Choosing my own default apps, getting apps from other locations (like F-droid), adblockers. Those are the big ones.

Can't run GrapheneOS.

money

I do not want to support a trillion dollar company that makes it impossible to repair my own stuff.

With a de-googled custom rom like LineageOS, I'm not forced to choose between 2 mega corps.

I only use FOSS

A foss os with hardened security.

Can't put graphene on it, can't sideload apps, can't even organize your home screen in an acceptable manner last I checked which was admittedly long ago, never bought into the hype (which is the only reason to use apple).

In 2003 (or thereabouts) I was a paying user of an Apple music product. They deliberately broke the way that I used their product, then once someone found a workaround, they broke that, too.

I tried to be their customer, and they kicked me out for not using Windows or MacOS. Now I'm emotionally invested in not giving them any money, ever.

My iPhone experience is a couple of years old now, but my biggest thing has been the flexibility of the home screen in Android. I can modify the home screen and run very convenient widgets for some apps with a 3rd party home screen app.

Privacy.

Default Android < iOS < custom roms without Google play services and with DNS blockers

I don't want to

Not having a functioning browser. And no, it's not Chrome. Why would you want to use an ads pushing piece of garbage?

Just price, end old phones drop in price quick can get a good one thats a couple years old for like $250.

My phone doesn't mean much to me anymore, they were fun in the early 2010s when I could root them and overclock them and every new one was way better than the last.

But now any phone I get can do lemmy and discord and phone calls perfectly and last like 2 days on battery without being expensive.

I used to have an original iPod. It was so buggy getting songs into it. It would freeze up half the time and corrupt its filesystem. I later found out that Apple deliberately made the windows experience buggy to draw more people to buy Macs. That's unforgivable behaviour.

I've used iPhone before

Never again

The short time I used an iPhone, I just didn't like how it felt. The restrictive nature, personally really don't dig Apple's whole UI design. It felt like a quality phone, build wise, but Apple just ain't for me.

Also, price. I paid $100 for my Motorola that's good enough to last me the next 2 to 3 years, and features a headphone jack, which is all I really wanted. Could take or leave the Dolby Atmos shit, but the sound quality is decent for a phone.

Reason 1: I once owned an ipad, the experience with it was so bad that I stayed away from iphone.

Reason 2: I now have Mac for work. My experience with it is so bad that I'm staying away from iphone.

Termux

I don't want to pay for something that costs five times what's worth (like all Apple products).

No phone is worth more than $150~200

Lack of interest in dealing with that again. I had a company iphone so I could support staff who had iphones and itunes was massive shitty bloatware.

lock-in and Apple tax

I get a headache every time I have to help my mom with her iPhone or try to do something on my kid's iPad. I know part of it is that I'm just very used to Android, but there's no excuse for finding an app or setting being so tedious on iOS.

Apple control on every single detail of the device. I dont want that simple as that.

There's a certain 'luxury' or 'sex appeal' to Apple products, but there are things I value more. I run /e/ os on a fairphone. I often ask people what kind of phone they have, and when they occasionally ask back, they are blown away that what I do is an option. The fact that I can show people there is another way is reason enough, in spite of everything I personally value.

Price. Also i don't wanna get locked into their ecosystem.

I had iphones for a while and had to jailbreak them to get them to do what I wanted. Then one bricked and I got an android. I didn't have to jailbreak it, I owned it, I wasn't stuck having to use iTunes, and I wasn't forced into thececosystem. Also, Smart Audiobook Player is android only.

For me it's a trust issue.

I don't trust that Apple (or Google) won't use their software against my interests on a device I own and have with me at all times.

With a non-apple phone I can ensure that my interests are preserved by vetting different software options.

I don't make very much money, and the phones I buy are usually between $100-200. The only way to do that with iphone is to get a phone that's both old and used. There's no new options in that price range at all. However, even if there was, or if I just bought used, it doesn't offer me any benefit to swap. My experience with ios was never very good back when I did use it, it restricts how you can use your phone really heavily. I love being able to install apps from F-droid or my web browser, and changing launchers gives you a lot of customization of your home screen. I also really value that once your android device isn't supported with software updates anymore, the community can still develop up to date android versions for those devices so you can use newer versions of android than the manufacturers intended

Um, everything.

I have an iPhone for work and it's unintuitive.

Hahaha great question. It's funny how I thought it was a silly question when asked the other way. In a way, my response is the same for both phones: 'The main thing stopping me is that I am not considering switching'.

That said, I carried both for years, so I can probably provide some insight. I switched from Windows Mobile to iOS in 2008. I had one phone until 2012. My "main" phone was iOS from 2008-2017. The biggest factor was (and still is somewhat) who had the best camera. Pixel 1 had a better camera, so I switched to Android as my main in 2017. These days, both have great cameras and it wouldn't be a reason to switch.

My current job doesn't need me to have two phones, but I still carry an iPad mini, so I remain in both ecosystems.

I prefer Android on my phone for lots of little reasons, but they all basically boil down to the same thing: Android lets me do what I want with my phone.

It's difficult to explain if you haven't been an Android user. If you don't know what a launcher is, it's the interface between you and your apps. I've never much liked Google's launcher. I don't like Google's keyboard, so I use my own. I like to change the default number of rows/columns of my app icons. I like switching between two bottom-row docks. Then there's stuff like default apps, and way better widgets, of course. Plus I can arrange my apps how I like.

Now - if you are on iOS and have never had this stuff, you won't miss it. If you want your phone to "just work" and never think about personalizing it, you have no reason to even value the personalisation that Android offers. But, if you've gotten used to your personal phone layout, being forced into the Apple way is restrictive.