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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 91 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I always hope that everyone speaks English and if they seem worried about how it sounds I remind them that their English is way better than my their language which usually breaks the ice.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 90 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Heard someone say this on reddit many years ago after someone was being a wise ass about their English which was obviously second or third language

You speak English because it's the only language you know; I speak English because it's the only language you know We are not the same

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's pretty funny, but I'm years past accepting the "hurr durr ignorant american knows only one language" thing. Except as a response to someone harassing someone about their English capabilities, as seems to be the case in your example. 😁

The way I figure it, if the people two states away from me in every direction spoke a different language from me, and from each other, I'd probably be multilingual, too. (As would most of us)

[–] PostingInPublic@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Is this not fairly likely in the US with Mexican Spanish or/and Canadian/Cajun French?

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 2 weeks ago

Within the USA, the language enclaves aren't strong enough. You might find people who can't speak English, but there are enough people in their communities that can speak English that you can get along.

Of the countries I've visited so far, I find that Mexico has the strongest language barrier as Mexico is large enough to maintain an internal standard of Mexican Spanish. Outside of the northern border states, you can drive two states away in Mexico and still have people speak Spanish.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, because these people are also highly likely to also know English and the vast, vast majority of people in any given location speak English as a default in public. Unless another language is being commonly spoken in public, it isn't even close to having entire states speak a different language.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I hung out with a bunch of Germans who were really good English speakers but constantly were self critical of their English skills. They were beating my German skills by a landslide even at their worst moments.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 2 weeks ago

Even if you speak Thai, complaining about someone's foreign language abilities as a foreigner is rude.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Implying the sign isn't talking about Australians who visit in the same numbers

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago

But America dumbo!

[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

And perhaps Brits and Canadians. I’m not sure about their visit numbers though.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Or anybody in europe who probably speaks english as thats the "world language"

[–] Lumidaub 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Unless they're from a primarily English speaking country, they'd be unlikely to complain though.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've met lots of people who seem to hold the sentiment that if THEY managed to learn English, why can't EVERYONE ELSE?

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Just remember that any Americans vacationing in other countries are Americans who can afford to travel to take a vacation in other countries (and can even take that long of a vacation at all), and that explains the sense of entitlement and rudeness you see which gives Americans a bad name.

Also except for Canada and Mexico (and even for them depending on where in US you live, to get anywhere is a very long, expensive plane trip).

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can't wait for us to start exploring the galaxy and giving aliens shit for not speaking English lol

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I’m sawwry, I don’t speak ‘at squeaky squacky, beep boop shit. Why don’t you try talking like an American?! You’re in American space space!

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm American and I am continually shocked and grateful how commonly I'm catered to internationally. I mean it's not fair in a sense but also there does need to be a global language and the English happened to be the right kind of assholes to win that honor.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not necessarily just for Americans. English is the most spoken language in the world when you include people's second language. That German tourist probably isn't going to know Thai and that Thai cafe probably isn't going to know German, but they can muddle though with English.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

To be fair. Learning english is a must nowadays. The closest we have to an universal language.

And I say it as a non-native English speaker.

[–] ILikeTraaaains@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

As a developer in a non English speaking country, in the last decade having English in your resume has moved from nice-to-have to mandatory, now the nice to have is having a third one.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

One random thought I had about this the other day was that I feel sort of bad for the British, Irish, Americans and Australians. Well, the monolingual ones.

Anytime they go abroad, it's like "oh they didn't even bother to learn the language", but then when we who didn't grow up on English do, we've already learned at least English, so not knowing the local language is somehow more understandable. Or perhaps people don't feel that way, but it's just a thought I had. Like it feels less polite when a native English speaker just addresses someone in English in a foreign country, but if a non-English speaker asks "do you speak English" with broken English, it's much more... sympathetic.

I'm just babling nevermind me.

I do agree with you though and can't really understand people in my country who still say they can't speak English. I mean, people who still use the internet and consume media that's in English. I don't get it. Language acquisition gets worse sure, but it's never gone away from me at least. I watch one season of some show in a language I don't understand and I already start picking up the very basics. Nothing I could use, surely, but like my brain is clearly structuring and trying to make sense of the language, so with enough exposition to a language...

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Irish are increasingly bilingual it’s just that they’re learning their own language, not anyone else’s

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[–] Dupree878@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can speak Thai so I guess I’m okay

[–] Moc@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I can’t speak Thai but I am not complaining because I’m not an asshole

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Why are people from the USA always called Americans?

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 2 weeks ago

Because they're the only country with America in their name whereas United States is shared by Mexico

Also in English there's a distinction between North and South America, with the supercontinent being referred to as "The Americas", so America isn't really ambiguous, they're also geologically and environmentally distinct enough that "The Americas" isn't used so much and "New World" is often more relevant to include Australia as another somewhat culturally similar sparsely populated former colonial area.

[–] Borger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Same reason why people from the United Kingdom are called ‘British’, despite Northern Ireland not being in Britain.

There just aren’t better proper adjectives for these 2 countries.

While you can say ‘North American’ to mean anyone from North America and not specifically the US, I’m not sure there’s a fitting word that refers to anyone from North or South America. Although, at that point, the group of people you are talking about is perhaps too broad to be useful in most cases.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Same reason why people from the United Kingdom are called ‘British’, despite Northern Ireland not being in Britain.

Ireland is part of the British Isles, so you could even call people from the Republic of Ireland british (and then run away really fast).

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[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

And saying North America includes Canada, and I think out of respect to the Canadians they don’t wanna be lumped together with us

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Why does someone always smugly point this out in these threads?

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Because there's always got to be some young "boo America" edgelord contrarian that thinks they're really doing something by saying it. But really they are just an idiot in a long line of idiots who isn't saying anything at all.

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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

Because calling anyone else an American is insulting.

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So here's something wild I learned.

To Canadians, when I speak French, I have a very thick American accent. However, when I speak English to Canadians, they really can't tell my accent (presumably because I live in a bordering state?).

I always respect anyone who knows just enough English to communicate something simple/frequent. Because there is no fucking way they'd understand what I was trying to say in their language.

[–] DV8@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Man that's crazy, I speak French with an undertone of a Belgian accent, but pretty close to French general accent (I know every dept has their accent, chill!), but Canadians have an extremely heavy and weird non standard accent compared to other people.

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[–] AllOutOfBubbleGum@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Man, that bugs me how many Americans are out there giving the rest of us a bad name. I don't travel, but if I did, I'd be grateful a non-native English speaker knew any English at all. And not learning enough of their language to at least get you by for the trip just sounds like poor planning in general. Some people are just incapable of looking before they leap, and for some reason a bunch of those people travel.

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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
  1. because they're frequently proven right, English is the most commonly spoken second language after all

  2. Americans who can afford to travel abroad are generally more wealthy, and tend to be more over entitled in all aspects of their lives

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

BECAUSE ENGLISH ALWAYS WORKS IF YOU CAN SPEAK IT LOUD ENOUGH

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Because western imperialism from English speaking countries has been around for at least 500 years and it's given lots of countries time to learn it.

But also I make sure to know how to introduce myself and ask if they speak English in basically every language I interact with as to not start with it. And then I have conversational understanding of about 7 languages.

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[–] jmsy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

as if it's not the english making this complaint

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Besides people speaking bad English to you are braver and more engaging than the average person in general. Id speak bad English with just about anyone before talking to most of my family lol.

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[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] seppoenarvi@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd think that this sign is not there because of American tourists. All the Americans I've met while traveling, have acknowledged that English being their native language is a privilege and have been very polite towards people who don't speak English that well. But in Europe English has become the universal language and it's easy to forget that not everyone can speak it as well.

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[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Because most people in the Western world do speak it proficiently. As well as the more urban populations of much of Asia.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Why do you presume this is about Americans?

American tourists are much less common in Thailand than English or Australians.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I say it because every time I try to speak in someone in their language, they immediately switch to English. (even the one I'm pretty damn good at)

Because of the dominance of English, many people learn it and that's enough to talk to people from many countries, but what are we supposed to do? We can't learn all the other languages.

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Because we have to if they don't speak our language

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