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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 14 points 1 day ago

I'll rip you a new ozone hole

[–] SternburgExport@feddit.de 127 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And it will use as much energy as everything else in the house combined.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I wonder how true that is. Does it come down to effective insulation? I also thought the old refrigerants were more efficient but really bad for the environment. The only other factor is motor/pump.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Compressors are variable and much more efficient. More efficient and variable speed fan motors along with more efficient blade design. Insulation now is drastically better than glass wool of the past. Electronics are able to be integrated in order to provide more fine grain control and overall design has been improved just due to efficiency standards being placed on a bright yellow sticker. In the past design and component choices never really considered efficiency, while efficiency doesn’t always win out it’s a weighted factor and influences the overall engineering and design in ways that just didn’t happen before efficiency regulations came about.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Insulation tech is better, yes, but also the insulation of a 40 year old fridge is by now totally fucked.

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[–] Aux@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

https://appliance-standards.org/blog/how-your-refrigerator-has-kept-its-cool-over-40-years-efficiency-improvements

Here's a good article. From 1970-s to 2014 power use of refrigerators decreased by 4 times. My modern European fridge only uses 270kWh per year, which is even further decrease.

You really do not want to still use a fridge from 1970-s.

Edit: changed Wh to kWh.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, but can you survive a hydrogen bomb blast in a 1980s fridge? No, you need a 1950s fridge for that.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

We called the dog Indiana.

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[–] RazzleDazzle@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 2 days ago

Survivorship bias

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

A fridge is a fridge, the basic mechanical working principle of it didn't change over the past 40 years. But people have a lot more expectations put into what a fridge should be able to do nowadays, and electronics or complex mechanism such as the ice maker is generally the first to break on a modern fridge.

The moral of the story is, don't buy a fridge with an icemaker or have a tablet attached to it, and you should be fine.

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

My refrigerator fridge machine that fridges and refrigerates is from the early 2000s. Still works like a charm.

It even has a square on it that says "OK".

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I still have my $120 fridge from like 2010-2011ish back when Sears was a thing and it's still going without any issues. Zero maintenance ever needed thus far.

No ice maker in it, and the freezer part is on top like in the pic. Apparently if the freezer is on the side instead of on top, those break down way more often.

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[–] dukatos@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Zero kelvin? That sensor is broken...

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 91 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (35 children)

Remember, friends don't let friends buy Samsung or LG appliances!

(Also, long lasting appliances still exist, you just have to be ready to pay the price, otherwise get something from the Maytag family)

[–] x4740N@lemm.ee 45 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Anything from BSH group is good from what I've heard online from other netisens

Which is

  • Bosch
  • Siemens
  • Neff
  • Gaggernau

Miel are also good especially for vacuum cleaners

All of this information I remember from reddits buy it for life subreddit which really should have a lemmy version

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[–] Yurgenst@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Sure it will work forever, but it also never really worked right in the first place. Those are definitely the fridges where one section freezes and other areas are almost room temp

[–] hobowillie@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (3 children)

People also have survivorship bias with these things. Sure your refrigerator might have lasted forever but quite a few others did not. There is a reason why appliance repair places existed and were much more common than today.

[–] ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

While that is true, items are purposely made unrepairable now. You don’t have right to repair movements because John Deere and Apple devices are so much more complex to repair for common failure points. You have those movements emerging because companies make it extremely difficult in the name of profit or style. With equally skilled (and due to the internet more informed) and capable repair personnel not being able to even partake in the process.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (4 children)

They've also gotten more complex over time, increasing difficulty of repair.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I bet there is a Technology Connections video on this.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

people underestimate how useful and frequently necessary icepicks used to be.

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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remember in Australia, if you're persistent enough, you could get this replaced under Australian Consumer Law, if something breaks in an unreasonable amount of time (outside of warranty, even). Considering fridges can easily last for 10 years, anything well within that should be fairly easy (but require many, many emails and threatening to taken them to your local small claims) to get replaced.

That is if you can do without a fridge in the meantime 😅

This is not legal advice.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

While consumer laws in the US generally suck, there are a few stores that have amazing return policies and go out of their way to please customers, Costco being one of them.

I know a guy who brought back his 10-year-old broken plasma flatscreen TV without a receipt. They replaced it with a new model, no questions asked.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Costco no longer has those return policies on electronics specifically because people abused them.

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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 74 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Moreso, the fridge will stop working in two years cause that is when their subscription cloud service to access your fridge will be updated with firmware that is no longer compatible.

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[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago

In 2016 my parents bought a new microwave oven and gave their old one to me. That new microwave is broken now and the one I got is still operating the same as it did in the 90s.

[–] duderium2@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Enshittification, also known as the overall tendency of profit to decline.

[–] thefrankring@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

You probably forgot to pay the monthly subscription of your refrigerator.

[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Shout out to our 30 year old Miele washing machine

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago
[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago
[–] johsny@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

But is it AI?

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just bought a brand new shitty fridge, can't wait for it to die next year

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[–] jose1324@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Contemporary appliances actually do fail more often, and earlier, than their predecessors. They have added a bunch of extraneous things to what was a very simple, stalwart, design. These additions have drastically increased the complexity of their designs and created many fold more points of failure than there used to be. It isn't so much that the manufacturing is sloppier, or that the materials aren't as good, though in some ways that is a contributor, just not the main one.

If you by a recently manufactured fridge like the following, you will get a fridge that will last decades if you do the minimum to keep it in good condition. However if you buy one that has an in door ice machine, lcd touch screen, complex lay out that requires the basic mechanical devices, to keep the fridge cool, to have a bunch of extra tubing, wiring, connections, etc. it is much more likely to fail because of all the extra points of failure you added.

https://www.amazon.com/GE-16-6-White-Top-Freezer-Refrigerator/dp/B07X6N4Y5X/ref=sr_1_39?crid=IAU5IJE3MQNB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.7A36GOsFTD0qVFIoLkz3F8wlrWo8FO7xlIypczHMKJgv1VMIp3tBlRi_bTV8_8jYSPL6FYxwlOwiLv6Q-vvdtamFNNvhQk0-VSONuiwbD1vRjilwEtRCDpq6uY6qDaWDUrlbqurr-pQjwP4ABucj-WkmIWQVehuM2EgqYVDp3LXbp9tV74t-gM1pHuO-yJD6Ie2ygW0EI9d4yQ7c5QeP47Nf4U1jvcgUucPe7Kj9K0Pt_OKf1uIhNDR_WT-IjdkY6ugtF2-mMUTpSOt0GTPm0nFyJ2mgISMB0wQxRg05GaY.SX-DBs0wx7Ej_MrCF1WO1OxnimsCnQim24ONGjvQUT8&dib_tag=se&sprefix=ge+basic+fridge%2Caps%2C101

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago

That fridge, in that color occupied a similarly wood paneled kitchen for me growing up. I got a little sweaty when I saw the picture, wondered who’s been in my old house.

[–] cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 days ago

Its not fully the fault of tech companies, yeah there is some planned obselecence. But there won't be anymore "I will outlive you" appliances cause the more mechanical it gets the more cheaper and easier it is to repair and they also tends to have less individual components.

I don't think any of those new smartish watches even from the best of Swizz makers could last like it did 100years ago.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Samsung fridge had the ice maker stop working 5 times in a span of 2 years. The tray mechanism inside would break so often. I actually started buying replacements from AliExpress and treated it as a consumable product.

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[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For real, we bought a fridge in November and it is already breaking

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 16 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Don't buy the overly fancy fridges: Buy a basic one from a decent company and it will probably last for years.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago

Decent company = not Samsung or LG

Maytag and its subbrands can actually be fixed and parts are available long term

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