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[–] LennethAegis@fedia.io 117 points 6 days ago (4 children)

So many villains in fiction are depicted as intelligent, phew, did we ever get that one wrong

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 45 points 6 days ago

If they were intelligent, we wouldn't even figure out they're villains

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It may seem like a meme, but Idiocracy did actually nail it. Dumb and aggressive with no attention span.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Idiocracy was less mean-spirited than reality, though. Sure, people were assholes, but they weren't trying to eradicate trans people or immigrants.

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 10 points 6 days ago

Go away, baitin

[–] tibi@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

No they didn't. The president recognized a smart person and put them in charge to fix their problems. Do you see the Trump administration doing that?

[–] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Honestly, its always been anti-intellectualism. Sure not all smart people are good people, but in general empathy is a sign of intelligence, while malice and stupidity go hand in hand.

Edit: There's also the fact that the smart tropey villains also often happen to be wealthy, and as we all know being wealthy means someone is smart/s

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Dr Evil is pretty dumb, he only surrounded himself with intelligent people. Still not an equivalent since DT is hiring idiots.

Fun fact: DT can mean alcohol withdrawal and the symptoms resemble Trump. "Severe alcohol withdrawal symptoms such as shaking, confusion, and hallucinations."

[–] LennethAegis@fedia.io 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Dr. Evil is a parody of a mastermind Bond villain, which is why he was dumb as a subversion of the trope.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

But you also could say Bond villains were also dumb. They always seemed to make stupid mistakes and allow James to foil them, long monologues that gave him a chance to think.

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[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

At this point, I think aliens would do a better job.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 78 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Alt: duck soup movie poster, in which a grifter con man fails upward to leading a country, makes a mockery of justice, appoints idiots spying for a foreign government, and ends up in a losing war and destruction.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 43 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And it came out in 1933.

Something about history rhyming and all that.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

And some song lyrics from the first music number:

The last man nearly ruined this place,

He didn’t know what to do with it

If you think this country’s bad enough now,

Just wait till I get through with it. /

The country’s taxes must be fixed,

And I know what to do with it.

If you think you’re paying too much now,

Just wait till I get through with it. /

I will not stand for anything

That’s crooked or unfair.

I’m strictly on the up and up,

So everyone beware. /

If anyone’s caught taking graft

And I don’t get my share,

We stand ‘em up against the wall…

And pop goes the weasel!

[–] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have to watch it again, along with some of the others like coconauts and day at the races

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[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 74 points 6 days ago (1 children)

V for Vendetta seems close though

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 47 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I kind of thought this was the joke. Many many dystopian plots are about governments ran by corporations and filled with foreign spies.

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I figured this was just kind of a blurb by someone who just lacks depth in knowledge of these things

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sarcasm often employs acting as someone who lacks knowledge about something. You can easily identify this when the person describes something unusually specific.

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[–] fellowmortal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 days ago

Nobody got this feeling from altered carbon? Immortal, immoral rich, and everyone else struggling to survive. I mean, it's guilty-pleasure watching, but I am not ashamed.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

[–] falidorn@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

This movie is eerily accurate despite being scathing satire. There’s more than a hint of truth in it. More like a mountain.

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Back to the Future 2 was pretty close

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 21 points 6 days ago (8 children)

kak·i·sto·cra·cy

noun

Government by the least suitable or competent citizens of a state.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Coulrocracy - rule by clowns

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[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Idiocracy was just idiots, not an actively malicious group.

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[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] FancyPantsFIRE@lemm.ee 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Gotta drain the swamp to make room for the cesspool.

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[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago

Read more Philip K Dick.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

The techbrocalypse is a woefully underexplored dystopian future setting

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The amount of sexual predators Epstein's closest friend have nominated to position of power is incredible,

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I mean, you could replace Russian assets with Japanese elves and that's basically Shadowrun. Ignore the fact there are also literal dragons and ancient gods as part of the conspiracy ring; that's just an aesthetic and has no bearing on how they are basically just regular billionaires.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sure, some did. But in those novels the same individuals were actually pretty smart.

That’s the difference.

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[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Transmetropolitan nails this.

Unfortunately for us as a civilization, the series has aged quite well.

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[–] Abrinoxus@lemmy.today 9 points 6 days ago

Handmaidens tale comes close tho

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] dumbass@leminal.space 8 points 6 days ago

That government had the intelligence to see they needed to listen to someone smarter than them and gave Not Sure the freedom to do it how ever needed, even if it was something as ridiculous as water from the toilet. Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Nah a lot worse. President Camacho was a good dude who had his peoples best interests at heart.

[–] whyalone@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

Not even!!!!! Nobody ever imagined such a horrible scenario

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The last, uhh, 24 years keep reminding me of this line by Yeats:

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst   

Are full of passionate intensity."

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Because they didn't have to imagine it, as its a pretty standard affair.

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[–] mm_maybe@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

The Man in the High Castle comes close... or at least, makes it clear that it's not as though the Nazis and Japanese occupying America would actually live by the code they dictate for others.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Isn't that Atlas Shrugged?

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Season 4 of Lexx had all that and aliens.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

There was a Tom Clancy novel, either Sum of All Fears or Red Storm Rising, where the president and cabinet were a bunch of stupid fuckups that kept on making bad decisions taking us closer to World War 3.

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