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Harris only received five percent of Republican votes — less than the six percent Joe Biden won in 2020 when he beat Trump, as well as the seven percent won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 when she lost to him. While Harris won independents and moderates, she did so by smaller margins than Biden did in 2020.

Meanwhile, Harris lost households earning under $100,000, while Democratic turnout collapsed. Votes are still being counted, but Harris is on pace to underperform Biden’s 2020 totals by millions of votes.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 1 hour ago

Here's a fun little tip if you're ever able to try this again.

MLK Jr. never appealed to the white man, he never tried to win over whitey nor tone down his message so that he didn't alienate his opressors, and he never tried to get the Klan on his side.

Notice how we don't have segregation anymore? It's because if Dr. King did these things, he'd have been luaghed at.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 25 minutes ago

Kamalas campaign thought they could win without offending any megadonors, despite seeing what a bit of honesty did for them right after biden was replaced.

Ive never seen such obvious virtue signaling, I'm not sure kamala even believed her own words.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 hours ago

Ding ding ding! Trump went further right and got more support. DNC should go further left. People want radical change in 2024

[–] Monstrosity@lemm.ee 10 points 2 hours ago

This. Right. Here.

Stop the triangulation it needs to die already.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 55 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If we wanted to be Republicans we'd be Republicans for fucks sake...

We can't have 2 parties fighting to be the most hateful party of the billionaires. I mean I guess we can but only one gets to win.

[–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 6 points 1 hour ago

The Democrats have been chasing the mythical moderate conservative at the expense of the progressive left forever and have learned nothing. I want a fire and brimstone progressive who is belligerent and aggressive

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 33 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, the notion that she was going to put a Republican in her cabinet.....did anyone think that was a good idea? I mean, outside the beltway media?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

I know every early on she was talking about possibly having a Republican Vice President before she wised up and went with Tim Walz and ran on his progressive ideas for about... three seconds till Nancy and the DNC told her to just do what Hillary did, as that worked for her and Kamela is obviously the second female president right now. /s

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 103 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

If there’s one lesson the DNC should learn it’s this.

They won’t. But they should.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 21 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Why learn anything, the policies they want will be implemented anyway 🧠

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 62 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

The Republicans had their little tea party a few years ago. The Democrats need a Guillotine Party to properly represent us.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

The Tea Party forced the GOP to rebrand and restructure itself around the most extreme right wing ideas possible

Occupy Wallstreet tried to do the same thing, and... were savagely beaten by the police over it.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 14 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

They had the billionaire Koch's to fund that. We're never getting a billionaire to fund the leopard party that will eat their faces.

:(

[–] nxn@biglemmowski.win 1 points 47 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

Yeah, there should have been limits set on campaign costs, lobbying, media, etc. It's at a point where it doesn't seem like it's even possible to have a middle-class focused campaign that can openly say its basis is on taxing the fuck out of the top 1%.

But all I know is this: the second Trump term will make the standard of life in America far worse for most people. There will be hunger in 2028 for someone to simply say "We'll fix the middle class, and we'll make Musk, Bezos, etc pay for it". Hopefully by then what's left of twitter will not be as relevant as today, so that the message can at least have a hope of spreading through social media successfully.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 4 hours ago

The guillotine party knows how to deal with the second estate.

[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

NO! Harris just needed to go further right. Forced goose-stepping marches at rallies. Pledges to eradicate all minorities. Promise global wars of conquest.

Outflank Trump on the right, and the republicans AND democrats will vote for you.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 31 points 7 hours ago (31 children)

So left wing Democrats responded by sitting on their hands instead of voting, knowingly allowing the country to slide into whatever authoritarian hellhole that awaits us? Now that’s the definition of pettiness.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 35 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

We kept trying to warn you.

And every time - every last fucking time - anyone told you that moving to the right was going to cause people to stay home, you lot shot the messenger. Every time someone screamed the writing on the wall out loud, centrists who were so happy that the party was finally embracing genocide and Cheney were like "Russian! Tankie! Trumpist!"

I voted for Harris. You'll blame me anyway. Democrats will always shoot the messenger and double down on their simping for fascists.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The liberal tries to become an arbitrator, but he is incapable of solving the problems.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 4 hours ago

"I do not think that liberals understand the difference between influence and power, and the liberals get confused seeking influence rather than power. The conservatives on the right wing, or the fascists, understand power, though, and they move to consolidate power while the liberal pushes for influence."

Thanks for sharing that link. It unfortunately still shows to be true even today. :(

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[–] b34k@lemmy.world 42 points 6 hours ago (25 children)

Yes, my friend was one of them. I was shocked when 2 weeks before election he told me he was planning on not voting.

I asked why and he cited holding the same position Isreal as Biden, and courting republicans like Cheney, saying that was not a good look for the party at all.

I told him it’s not ideal, but we need to vote to keep Trump out…. Sometimes we just have to be pragmatic.

He responded saying it’s the Dem establishment that keeps allowing a boogey man like Trump to rise so they can shove center right corporatists down our throats. He said he was abstaining from voting to send a message to the DNC, and followed it up with, “we survived a first Trump term, I’m sure we can survive a second.”

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

"we survived"

Many didn't and even more won't this time, your friend is a genocide supporter

[–] Saleh 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

So not voting for genocidal candidates now make genocide support? stop projecting.

The Dems were hellbent on supporting gneocide. People chose to be fine with it, even attacking people who called it out.

The flak we got here for saying for months the Dems need to stop the genocide support to win the election now raises the question whether they were just tactically wrong, or whether they werent really into the genocide themselves. That would explain why now there is efforts to project it on the other people.

At every turn we were told that supporting genocide is better than supporting genocide and homophobia. Saying we should push for a non genocidal candidate, for which there was plenty of time at first, got immediately shut down.

The most consistent position of the Biden/Harris fans was to accept genocide, because that was the strongest criticism raised consistently against them. Now you end up not only having lost the election but having lost the election because you were in support of genocide.

It is no wonder that Trump managed to win, when the center is so morally bankrupt. It is no wonder that there was no way to inspire people to vote for Harris and Biden if the messaging constantly was "yeah we are morally bankrupt and we are also genociders and racists, but we are less than the other side. This is as good as we allow to happen".

This is on the Democrat elites and their supporters. Own up to it instead of projecting the blame.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Democrats: Support Israel, say they want the conflict to stop and a two States solution. Want to send weapons to Ukraine. Support minorities in the US.

Republicans: Support the genocide of Palestinians, of Ukrainians and of minorities inside the USA.

Voting for Republicans and not voting (so leaving the door open to them) is supporting genocide.

[–] Saleh 0 points 1 hour ago

So every Israel aka genocide supporter had a safe vote with Trump. Everyone who opposes it had no choice with either party.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

I asked why and he cited holding the same position Isreal as Biden, and courting republicans like Cheney, saying that was not a good look for the party at all.

I told him it’s not ideal

And this is what you don't get. There's a huge fucking gap between "not ideal" and "supporting genocide to the point that Dick Cheney likes you." And you didn't acknowledge it. You just belittled it with "not ideal." Because you couldn't admit that what Democrats were doing was monstrous and unconscionable.

Anyone who pulls this "you didn't get 100% of everything you want, but..." shit? They got 100% of everything they wanted. Especially the genocide support. And especially Cheney.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 40 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

we survived a first Trump term

As long as you weren't one of the million Americans who died of COVID thanks to his misadministration.

Or the Capitol police who died as a result from his attempted insurrection.

[–] b34k@lemmy.world 21 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, he’s an ex-pat who was living in Hong Kong, S Korea, and Vietnam for most of Trumps first term… so I’m sure he didn’t feel it as hard as most of us who were here for it.

[–] Jerkface@lemmy.world 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

"Thousands of my countrymen will perish, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago

He responded saying it’s the Dem establishment that keeps allowing a boogey man like Trump to rise so they can shove center right corporatists down our throats. He said he was abstaining from voting to send a message to the DNC, and followed it up with, “we survived a first Trump term, I’m sure we can survive a second.”

I remember when I was 14.

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 31 points 6 hours ago

Sorry dude, the problem is well beyond "leftists" and sooner or later you'll need to confront that.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

The average voter mindset is "which president will get me cheaper food?"

My parents get fed propaganda from Wechat (yes that Chinese app) saying democrats are letting too much illegal immigrants in, taking up too much resources.

We are legal immigrants, but shes doesn't see "illegal immigrant" is a dogwhistle about all immigrants that they dont like like black or brown people, or anyone they deem inferior.

Doesnt help the fact that Eric Adams and NYC democrats are building homeless shelters near Chinese American population.

My parents told me some of our relatives in NYC voted Trump, Asian Americans voting trump.

They say some Asian American co-workers at their workplace are supporting Trump.

My parent say "Its fine, we survived one term under trump"

Everyone who's a US Citizen in our household voted Kamala Harris. We tried. Our state PA still went red.

My US Citizen mom once said, "maybe we shouldn't vote for democrats, look at what they did in NYC (refering to homeless shelters)", and I reminded her about the Chinese Exclusion Act. So she vote Harris because I told her to. Like she didnt have a mind of her own. If her children turned out to be conservatives, she'd vote trump. Some people just dont care about politics. Similarly, some people have apolitical children but political parents, those children then vote for who their parents vote for.

We need to fix this voter apathy. Democracy is just broken.

(oh wow didnt mean to type a paragraph, sorry for the wall of text, election results still enraging me...)

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[–] M600@lemmy.world 21 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I’m not one of them, I voted a month or so in advance by mail.

But I wonder if some people are tired of the lack of change with Democrats in charge and believe that things need to get worse before they can get better.

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