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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 86 points 2 weeks ago

Sanders put out a statement today:

[–] Blahaj_Blast@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Bernie is too old to be president" immediately votes in people just as old 3 times in a roe

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

Trump being the youngest at 78 is already too old if you ask me. If the US had a ceremonial presidency like many parliamentary republics then that'd be fine but for an active head politician that's just too old imo

[–] midnight_puker@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We coulda had a bad bitch.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You need to save these things for future use

[–] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He would actually advance working class interests though, and all billionaire/corporate funding to the Democrats would be cut off as a result; Dems wouldn't let that happen.

That's the point of liberal "democracies" after all: keeping capitalists in power.

Get organized, that excuse of a democracy won't save you.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

So instead of democracy, then what, in your opinion?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You need a congealed working class before you can have a democracy. Right now, we have a fractured and alienated working class, so all we get are the motions.

  • Gigantic voting districts where elected officials are lucky to know one constituent in 10,000.
  • Systematic disenfranchisement of young voters, poc, and the internally displaced.
  • Strict limits placed on individual bureaucrats who must pander to the broadly empowered private business interests.
  • A fully captured court system that can tip the scales of an election.
  • No regional autonomy. No public civil defense. No guarantee of political education. No right to free association of labor.

How do you engage with a democracy on those terms? What democracy is there to engage with? An election that is simply another consumer choice isn't democratic. You still have no control over what you're being offered and no participation on how the system is administered.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

What you've listed are critiques. I agree with many of them. What I'm asking specifically is if not democracy, then what instead?

On paper, the United States is a federal republic, that votes for representatives for a bicameral parliamentary system that derives jurisprudence from English Common Law.

In practice, it's a plutocratic oligarchy.

For context, I consider myself to be a market socialist who still wants a representative federal republic for the United States.

I have my own ideas for re-enfranchisement for the working class:

  • abolish "first-past-the-post"
  • restructure gerrymandered voting districts
  • implement ranked choice voting
  • constitutional amendment for term limits for every elected position
  • allow cross-party voting in primaries
  • abolishing Citizens United (what a cynically ironic name for what it actually allows for)

These points are only achievable by voting for candidates who advocate for such policies which is admittedly a long shot, given the average citizen's knowledge of civics, political theory, economics, and statistics but it's what I believe can work.

Or would you prefer autocracy? The "dictatorship of the proletariat"? Monarchy? Theocracy? Anarchy? Oligarchy? Syndicalism?

My ultimate point is that you seem to still want "democracy", but you want it in practice, not just on paper, despite your claim of the point of democracies is to "keep capitalists in power".

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[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Democracy is the answer, democrats are not.

We need a real progressive party

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If only we could go back in time and make Bernie the Dem candidate and save Harambe.

[–] DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

Not just Harambe, but also Peanut.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I agree 100% we needed him. If you asked me 8 years ago I'd even say I honestly believe we, as Americns, deserve him. I'm now very seriously wondering that. It's starting to feel like we don't. Im against collective punishment so I don't mean to say that implies people who are going to suffer from this deserve their suffering, but I'm not sure that implies we deserve a politician like him. Glad as hell we have him in whatever office we can though.

[–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just because the shitstains that voted trump dont deserve him doesn't mean the rest of us dont.

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[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If Bernie Sanders leaves the Democratic Party i will follow him.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He's actually an independent, he just works with the Dems to get shit done.

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 35 points 2 weeks ago

when they aren’t directly obstructing him

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago

He already did, didn't you see the refreshing band of green next to his name amid all the red and blue? He generally votes the same as the Dems though.

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

He won't. He knows splitting the D vote will guarantee an R win. Unlike many voters who think they're making a statement.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

At this point i think i am done with the Democratic Party.

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[–] Stache_@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

We never got to feel the Bern… :(

[–] pinkystew@reddthat.com 16 points 2 weeks ago

The elites cackling at Bernie's funeral: he told them exactly what the problem was and how to fix it and they ignored him LOLOLOLOL

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I could be wrong but polling I've seen says 83% of black men and 93% black women voted Democrat. Latinos and White people voted closer to 50% between the two parties

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Latinos were the biggest loss as far as I can tell. There is a host of reasons why this group crumbled.

Let's see how they like seeing family members deported.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Not just family members.

If you and your entire family are suddenly thrown in a cage, who are you gonna call to grab your birth certificate from the safe deposit box?

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

More importantly, many of them (up to 12M, counting is still ongoing) stayed at home.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 11 points 2 weeks ago

The prince that was promised...

[–] frengo@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This man would be TOO good for any country. His visions are out of this world, he would have a lot of powerful enemies. Americans would probably kill him in the first month of an hypothetical presidency.

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