There's a middle ground. The near future of the party is Ron DeSantis and JD Vance, the smoothed down versions of Trump. I don't think that works and someone new will come out fully populist with authoritarian edges, maybe a Hispanic man to help attract the working class beyond just white people, that seems to be the growth opportunity Republicans need and maybe that solidifies Arizona/Nevada/Texas for them while they put all the effort into the Blue Wall and North Carolina.
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I think the JD Vance "I'm a never Trumper" clip has kind of killed the title, no?
Nope. Assuming that Trump loses (which I had thought was a foregone conclusion, but genocide and stupidity is a hell of a drug).....
People like being on the winning team. And having lost the popular vote three times in a row, Trumpism will start to fade. Republicans will switch to the Democrat party, cementing the current rightwards shift. Imagine the Democrats being pro-border in 2020? 2022?
The only silver lining is that in 8 to 10 years we might actually see a progressive party emerge.
If Trump wins, we get faster genocide plus Fascism at home, so at least there's that to look forward to. Hope you're practicing how to be a straight cis white male Christian because it's going to be a rough time for everyone else.
But hey, Jill Stein won't get that check from Putin unless you vote for her and Cornel West has alimony payments to make.
Hogan is a great example. I actually wasn't upset when he won his second term as governor, even though I disagree with some of his policies - but in general he did some good stuff for Maryland during his terms. Like getting masks and covid test kits in secrecy so Trump's idiots wouldn't confiscate them, as happened elsewhere in the country.
I'll never forgive him for axing the bike lane on the new Nice Bridge; we're stuck with that decision for at least 50 years now. But, by far, my biggest problem with Hogan is the "R" after his name.
Those third-party organizations are running ads that say things like, "I voted for Hogan, but not this time - we can't let the Republicans gain power in Congress." (Other organizations are noting "scandals" for the other candidate about taking tax breaks to which she wasn't entitled, but they seem overblown. It seems pretty silly coming from supporters of the party of George Santos, Matt Gaetz, and how many others...)
Would be wonderful if Steele only succeeds in creating a center-right party, with the GOP still existing as far-right, giving the Democrats (who now have permission to move left) a leg-up in the future.
The Democratic Party will never move left. If our country exists in a recognizable way in four years, we need to put every Republican on trial, let the Dems be the party on the right, and start a new leftist party. Anyone with an R after their name is supporting a traitor to democracy, and is guilty of treason by association.
No. The Republican Party is now a cult devoted to a person. The party will not be able to move on until that person is out of the picture.
Are you implying that the assassination attempt(s) might be attempts to save the GOP?
Are you implying that the assassination attempt(s) might be attempts to save the GOP?
The second would-be assassin seemed to think so.
Even if he loses this election he'll be a kingmaker behind the scenes for the rest of his life. On top of being the default candidate every 4 years until he dies.
We're gonna be deprogramming these people for the rest of our lives.
Just let them be "republicans", make a new "conservatives" party and with the fucked up system the democrats will win every time ...
Hmm...
That's assuming half of the less liberal democrats don't also join that new party.
Imagine two main political parties that each try to do their best for their constituents and their country, are ethical and upstanding citizens, and willing to work with their peers to build the future. Imagine choosing between multiple legitimate candidates by policy, rather than fear of fascism
Hopefully enough people understand that the system is broken and needs some fixing instead.
This is exactly what I hope happens... I'm just not sure Republicans have it in them not to line up behind a flawed candidate.
Are they going to rebuild or they just trying to migrate and take over the Democratic Party? We have this tendency to assume that this country is going to be two parties just as they are right now for the rest of our time but parties have changed in America many times. Hell, these two parties virtually swap places once. Nothing says it can't happen again.
After the dictator dies, there is always a battle of wannabes trying to replace him, a map of regional warlords trying to be the next Grand Cheetoh. Hopefully those regional warlords fall into obscurity and sanity prevails
Are they going to rebuild or they just trying to migrate and take over the Democratic Party?
This is exactly what I think is happening. The result of R destroying itself is somehow turning out to be no political home for progressives and left of them in US politics.
A lot has shifted over time, but the default state of American politics has always been two dominant parties.
That said, I could absolutely see a scenario where an American centrist party forms, still solidly to the right of most Western democracy, but centrist by current local standards, which not only pulls in the non-MAGA Republicans but also moderate Democrats, blue collar Dems from purple states, and once it gains traction and wins a few races, massive support from corporations and lobbies.
They'd win landslide victories over both older parties, especially as progressives and leftists gained greater control of the Democratic party through the flight of the moderates to the new centrist party, which would in turn drive even more establishment Dems to the new party.
They could run on nothing more than "common sense compromise, unity, and moving beyond the partisan squabbling that has plagued the country for decades", and be successful for at least 3 cycles before they even had to really take up any issues in earnest.
The deep South would stay red, the West cost, new York, and Illinois would stay blue, but I could see all of the mid Atlantic, Midwest, plains states, new England, and Southwest going for a viable centrist party.
For a long few years, national level politics would be absolute fucking chaos.
I'm not sure about New England. New Hampshire and Maine such a party would probably work in, but I am doubtful of any of the rest. MA and VT are two of the most left-leaning states in the country.
The current governor of Vermont is a Republican. Vermont tends to vote for the person rather than the party.
Fair point
Considering the number of republicans who have officially come out in support of Harris, even if it's just to avoid trump, it’s certainly possible.
The brand is kind of poisoned, they should abandon it, let the wackos have it, and come up with something new.
Honestly, they could take over the Libertarian party quite easily. It's not like its current leadership is particularly effective.
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