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[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 154 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Tesla, founded by the billionaire CEO Elon Musk, has frequently faced scrutiny over safety issues.

That is incorrect

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 56 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It is legally correct, but factually incorrect.

[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Legally how? Was Musk on the original state registration?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 54 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

He sued for the title and won.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 60 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I’m too petty to be a reporter, every time I’d write: “musk, who retroactively won the right to be considered a founder of Tesla in court, …”

[–] BenReilly97@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

It'd also be technically true to say "Elon Musk, CEO and self-proclaimed founder of Tesla..."

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"X, formerly known as Twitter"

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Twitter, now known to some as X, ...

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[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is this the company where he paid a sum of money to the real founder or founders to be called the founder?
Or was that another company?

[–] Wrufieotnak 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Correct on the first part, I don't know if he did it for other companies as well.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks! So he's the $$$paidtobecalledafounderlikeastupididiot$$$ of this company.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

And it worked. That's the worst part. This article and others call him the founder.

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[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 31 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

What a shot what a shot what a shot

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[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 27 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It was Saturday evening around 10pm, three restaurant employees went into one of the client car to "try it out", the client (65 years old) was clearly speeding, lost control of the vehicle, left the road and hit a traffic sign.

My bet is that all of that has nothing to do with the fact that this was a Tesla, the only difference is the fire but this is the same for every electric vehicle.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

i wonder if they were unable to open the doors for some non-tesla related reason such as death

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have a source?

None of the articles that I checked this morning had that info.

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[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah but nobody will click a headline like 'person killed in car crash after speeding and hitting a traffic sign'

[–] WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Hmmm I wonder if a vehicle filled with flammable explodey-gas who just drove over 2 metal signs at high speed would be on fire as well? Would it have gotten the attention that this vehicle had, given that ICE cars burn many times more often than EV's do.

It is a tragedy and should be investigated but these articles have to get off the "It's new so it's bad" bandwagon until the investigators come in. It could have been a flat tire at high speeds that sent the car onto that shoulder and over those signs. There is uneven wear on the tires so on the outside of Regenerative Breaking EV's tires look almost new on the outside but trashed on the inside. If it blew because of that, or some nail on the road then there is no fault on Tesla and the man-boy who runs it. If however say steering went or the airbag randomly went off when the car was at speed my least favourite Martian and Tesla would be culpable.

Until then turn the sensationalism on your stories down to 11.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I'm a fan of EVs, but Tesla lacks ~~security~~ safety and I'm not a fan of it.

It's too complicated to leave the car when power is off for example.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

If I recall correctly, the manual override for the electric inner door handle is hidden under some panel. Major lawsuit material if you ask me, and irresponsible by the certifying authorities,

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Yep. That's my issue. It's not the fire, it's that it's really hard to get out in a disaster.

The Tesla could just have easily killed four if it crashed into water.

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[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

no, it wouldn't. Because the car is not filled with aerosolized explodey-gas, but just flammable liquid contained in a robust tank. it is not explosive. It can catch fire, but not simply from impact. You'd need a hole in the tank lower than the current fuel level and an external ignition source. Even if you shoot the gas tank directly, it will not explode. It is physically impossible for it to explode.

Puncture one of an electric car's cells, and it sets off a chain reaction. The whole car very quickly goes up in flames.

[–] Strykker@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A hit car engine is an external ignition source, and gas cars go up in flames daily in the us

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[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

"Robust"? Clearly you've never driven an itlian made car!

Alphas tanks are literally made out of plastic. You can poke them with a basic screwdriver.

Yeah it won't go boom, but point being, they're not robust and go in flames fairly often too...

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If I made a metal cage for rich people that locked and set on fire, I would go to prison for life probably. This guy does that and sells it to them

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[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

If Musk can remote disable the car, can he remote lock the doors and have it speed up?

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 40 points 3 weeks ago

Can a malicious actor remotely do stuff with your thing you connected to the internet?

Yes.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

He'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he can.

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

If elon can change the breaking for Full Self Driving, he can disable brakes. I wouldn't be surprised to learn if some people figure out how to backdoor a Tesla and disable breaks. Companies are horrible at securing data and with elons fire 50% of employees mentality I wouldn't be surprised if the cybersecurity people get overworked/mess up one day

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

"Brakes", please.

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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And if he can, who else can?

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

His password is probably “god”

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago

I'm halfway through rewatching Demolition Man as of yesterday evening. Simon Phoenix blew up the capacitance gel in a car using one of the cop's electrical night sticks. I can only assume that Musk is now going to unfreeze John Spartan to deal with these crimes.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty much all forms of vehicle transport is unsafe. This is why electric cars should be thought of as: good but not ideal.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

This is true, yeah. He bought the title of founder.

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ooooo sorry, you waived your right to a trail by jury in the EULA you signed.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

Not in the EU you didn't.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So the assumption is that they could not exit the vehicle?

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I guess the question has so be raised how four people died in a car that didn't roll over.

The good thing is that Tesla has the records and will release them without issues...

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