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[–] joeyv120@ttrpg.network 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The Israeli government is murdering children and committing war crimes, and they're upset about what The Onion has to say about it.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They are targeting the press, they really care about public opinion

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They're also full on slaughtering the press too.

So a rundown of what they're doing

  1. Killing 2 civilians for every 1 Hamas
  2. Killing children (50% of Gaza is under 18)
  3. Killing journalists

They're 100% correct Hamas needs to be wiped out because Hamas wants Jews to not exist, but goddamn the ends to not justify the means.

They've lost the fucking plot.

Mark my words anti-Semitism is going to continue it's crescendo and it's 100% because of the IDF and that asshat running Israel.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Hamas charter excerpt.
16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

[–] Baahb@feddit.nl 1 points 7 months ago

The IDF also says it's not genociding. Military groups are known for their trustworthiness

[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Good to know they uphold this text by not publicly murdering and raping random civilians in their homes and proudly sharing the video.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Does that mean Israel needs to be wiped out because they don't want Palestinians to exist?

[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Golda Meir once said "After the Holocaust, Jews are free to do whatever they want".

Since then, Palestinians have been paying for the crimes of Nazi Germany.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Best take on this. A lot of Jewish people said “we must never let this happen again,” but some motherfuckers took notes.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Everyone post-WW2: "Never again"

  • Some people: "Never again should that be inflicted on anyone"
  • Other people: "Never again should that be inflicted on the Jewish"
[–] root_beer@midwest.social 1 points 7 months ago

There’s a YouTube channel covering WWII week by week, and there’s a sister series called War Against Humanity, which covers the atrocities committed on all sides—not just the a death camps and the murders in the ghettos, but firebombing campaigns, the Japanese internment camps, the Bata’an death march, the famine in India at the hands of the Raj, and so on. Every episode ends with host Spartacus Olsson repeating the phase that we should be using, “Never forget”. Because a huge contingent of us seems to be forgetting.

[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think a big part of it, here in the US, is besides all the post WW2 sentiment, a lot of folks here in the bible belt literally think they are God's chosen people, and so whatever they do is right by God, no matter how terrible. I recently showed up for jury duty and was speaking to a lady there about her son who had joined the Marine Corps. and thought he might get deployed, and she said, I shit you not, "At least he'll be fighting for God's people".

I've seen antisemitism. I've been in online communities that slowly devolved into rat caricatures and conspiracy theories about how Jews are out to destroy the world. So I know that modern antisemitism persists and is a thing to watch out for. But it's not antisemitic to admit that Zionist Israel is butchering innocent people because they want to claim all of Palestine for themselves, and that the west is too weak willed to do anything about it for fear of being called antisemitic, or going against "God's chosen people". That's not antisemitism, it's an objective, observable fact.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The even bigger issue is the Bible Belt is those moron’s reading of Revelation, which has them thinking Israel has to control Jerusalem for the rapture to happen.

[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That’s actually a requirement?

Do they have to hold up the Holy Grail and yell out “Jewmanji”, too?

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

The genocide will continue until morale improves

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 1 points 7 months ago

The ironic thing is, conflating any and all criticism of the state of Israel with anti-semitism could be argued as anti-semitic itself, because to suggest that jewish people in general and the Israeli state/military are one in the same such that criticism of the later is also hateful towards the former, is also to suggest that jewish people as a whole are responsible for the actions of Israel.

As cultural groups as a whole are inherently unable to be guilty of crimes (since even if a large number of people belonging to one commit some crime, such a group will also contain members that cannot be guilty of it, like young children), but states and similar entities, being organized and capable of decision-making, can be, then any attempt to link the moral culpability of a state and that of a cultural group is inherently to apply unfair accusations to that group, and thus hateful to it.

[–] Vytle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Bro can i just say that i fucking hate that anti-semetic is even an argument used when someone demonstrates support for Hamas? it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic.

[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I think there is a very good argument of antisemitism if you support Hamas. There is no argument for antisemitism if you support Palestinians.

[–] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Who the fuck supports Hamas? It's an actual terrorist organization that's oppressing people in Palestine

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Every source I find suggests that Hamas has significant support from the people of Palestine

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Damn I wonder why the people being subjected to genocide support the group fighting the genociders?

I just can’t work it out.

[–] Lupus108@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic

No, the term was conceived to describe the hate against Jews, semantically you are correct concerning the term semites, but antisemitism explicitly means Jewish people.

Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who interpret it as referring to racist hatred directed at all "Semitic people" (i.e., those who speak Semitic languages, such as Arabs, Assyrians, and Arameans). This usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus (lit. 'antisemitism') was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a "scientific-sounding term" for Judenhass (lit. 'Jew-hatred'),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.[18][23][24]

Interestingly antisemites themselves coined that term, it's not in the wiki quote but further in the article it goes into detail regarding that.