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Also I want to hear from you, is it ethical and why?
I mean you have to buy it on your own accord, culture your own cells, and then successfully cook and eat them. As long as you aren't stealing other people's cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
stealing other people's cells to eat them
This will become a sex thing for sure
I made a post about that a while ago: https://feddit.uk/post/14228639
But it's still cannibalism, yeah? If someone consented to be eaten before they died or even wished for it, would you be OK with eating them?
We have to draw some sort of line here though. Will this give you prions? Does this end the person's life like traditional cannibalism usually does? Theres a lot to unpack in these tiny man steaks. I'd still rather people be growing their own meat at home in a petri dish than having animals locked in cages for eternity.
In the current hypothetical:
It's screened, you can't legally sell prion meat
It's taken nonlethally as a sample from a consenting human, possibly you
So, if it were the original cells, then it would be autocannibalism, since these are cloned cells (from what I gather) it's technically not the same thing. [Edit: Personally, it's a bit of a tossup in my mind. I don't think it's unethical, but it's still a weird thing]
without causing harm to animals
If we cultured cells from someone with an autocannibalism fetish, would it then be OK?
Like I take 1d4 psychic damage whenever I see furries at cons, but I don't think they should have to be banned
Incoming: nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone's will.
Imagine the network of Taylor Swift DNA trading.
And you know someone is going to fuck it.
What are the ethics of fucking a steak made from a non-consenting Taylor Swift's tissue sample?
Of course it's ethical, unless I'm seriously misunderstanding something you literally have to make the decision to buy it and then partake in it.
I guess you can use it unethically but by default intended usage it's fine
Would any of you care to taste my meat?
Haha I've been saying for fucking years that boutique lab growing meat outlets will pop up selling exotic animal meats and celebrity human meat. We are getting close to that future
Its not the 'eat the rich' that I was hoping for.... Might be the one we deserve.
“I’ll take a burger, mediums rare, & let’s do a 50/50 blend of Ground Chuck & Beyoncé on Sourdough.”
To me that's more ethical than killing of billions of animals, and the latter is considered ethical. I wouldn't do that because that would feel weird, but not unethical.
I wouldn't do that because that would feel weird,
I mean, it's basically homemade spam. It's kinda weird.
I bet I taste delicious!
This is ethical despite it walking the line of taboo. It hurts no one, and if the tissue sample can be extracted at home without causing damage to the donor I see no issue with it.
I would be worried about disease first, but if it's your own cells maybe there's less chance? Prions are terrifying
My second question would be taste
If there's no disease and it tastes good then fuck yeah all in
Those cannibals who got prions ate human brain.
What if I want to grow my steak into a hollow-cylinder shape, and also, not eat it, per-se?
Don't you get prions from canibalism
Also if this costs less than supermarket meat I could buy some beef and clone it
Yes and no. You get prions from eating a person that's also infected with prions. Basically if you eat cloned meat of yourself it should be fine as you either already have prions, or you don't already have prions. Prions manifest as either CJD if you got it naturally or Kuru if you got it through canibalism.
It's unethical because you can't safely perform muscle biopsies at home, thus it is a violation of the duty of care, and culturing stratified squamous epithelium and calling it meat(and steak no less) is lying without any benefit to others, which is a fundamental ethical violation.
Fuck, I've always wanted to eat human meat anyway. I'd kill for a sample like this. I don't care about morals here. I'm a vegetarian. I just want to know. If my buddy was like "ayy we're eating Dan from accounting's arm tonight" I'd be there with no questions asked. The police can sort it out.
I mean, if you'd kill for that you don't need the kit.
I’d kill for a sample like this.
oh boy do I have something to tell you
fetal bovine serum (FBS)... is derived from the blood of calf fetuses after their pregnant mothers are slaughtered by the meat or dairy industry.
I did not know this... and after reading the wiki, I found it rather disturbing...
The first stage of the production process for FBS is the harvesting of blood from the bovine fetus after the fetus is removed from the slaughtered cow. The fetus dies from the lack of oxygen by remaining in the protective environment of the uterus for a minimum of 15–20 minutes after the cow is dead...
The whole point of this art project is to suggest that using expired human blood serum is acceptable for growing lab meat btw. That's what they used to culture the cheek cells. Took them several months to grow that amount though and cheek cells have very different requirements to muscle cells, so I dunno why they were presenting it as an option. Guess that's why it was an art project and not a presentation at a conference.
By what technicality this isn't cannibalism?
I would call it auto-cannibalism. I think it is a form of cannibalism.
Man-made man-steaks beyond my comprehension
"Eat my ass!"
"Don't mind if I do."
What if you have cancer and don’t know it, and just accidentally happen to grow a tumour for dinner?
Remember that guy on Reddit who claims he had to have his leg amputated and he somehow got to keep it, and he and his friends cooked and ate it?
That's weird, but as long as it remains their own, or consenting others, I think it's fine. The minute capitalism gets involved I think it becomes exploitative and unethical - long pork in the grocery store fundamentally should not be a thing.