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The unprecedented assault entered its fourth day Friday with Moscow rushing reinforcements and bombing its own territory to try to contain the Ukrainian advance.

A convoy of burnt-out military trucks, some bearing the "Z" symbol of the Kremlin’s war and appearing to contain bodies, sits along the side of a highway.

The video, circulating on social media Friday and geolocated by NBC News, doesn’t show a beleaguered section of the front lines in eastern Ukraine. It is a village in Kursk, across the border in southern Russia.

For days now Vladimir Putin’s forces have struggled to put down an incursion into Russian territory by Ukrainian troops, after a surprise attack that threatened to upend the war’s status quo and open a new front in a daring challenge to the Kremlin.

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[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 124 points 2 months ago (5 children)

It sucks to have your country invaded, doesn't it?

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 47 points 2 months ago

It's not an invasion!

It's a special military operation....

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They should concede Kursk oblast in the name of peace

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I hear they had a vote and 140% of the people wanted to join Ukraine 😉

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

TBH I think this is why Ukraine has dont this. It makes all the "freeze the conflict in its current state" calls mean that Russia would have to give up territory too, which would infuriate the ultra-nationalists in Russia and possibly destabalise Putin's rule.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

That's called "karma"

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

They should surrender. Putin is sending all those to die defending their territory for selfish reasons. \s

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

So far they are invading Putin's senile ass

[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 120 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you can’t take it, don’t dish it.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 73 points 2 months ago

If you can't take the heat, get out of Ukraine.

So my nephew was talking mad shit the other day about gymnastics and how it's "not a sport" and it's "for weak girls".

I asked him "If it's so easy, why don't you go do a couple flips and prove how easy it is?"

His sister answered saying "Last time he tried that he broke his foot!" and started laughing.

My nephew immediately glared at us and started crying.

Russia acts like my 10 year old nephew.

[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 70 points 2 months ago

Godspeed Ukraine.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 52 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Already happened once this war, how many times can we get a march on Moscow this decade?

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

As many times as it takes for them to get the message

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Onwards and salt the fucking earth on the way there.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But let’s not.

Our planet is already severely suffering, let’s not deliberately fuck up the lands to stop nature growing on it.

Fertilise the soil with Russian bodies on the way there please.

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I second this. Grow some beautiful sunflowers

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Let's not take it out on the environment

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago

In ~~Soviet~~ Russia, invaded country invades you!

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh, that doesn't sound like something the Kremlin will take lightly.

Too bad they sacrificed an insane number of troops just to get their shit pushed back in.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That is how you run a 3 day SMO.

I think they should have done a practice run and taken Belarus.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

That would have been a liberation. And a real one, not just a propagandized liberation. If they did, the Russian forces there might find themselves contending with both Ukrainian forces and the Belarusian army that refused to join the Ukrainian invasion.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I get it's not publicised for a reason but I would love to know what the end goal is.

Are they just causing havoc to get Russia to commit forces away from the front lines?

Are they going to dig in and try and defend some of the captured area?

Are they looking to capture a specific objective like the nuclear plant or a city?

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Probably a combination of your second point and to pressure Putin into capitulating on peace talks.

As opposed to the Putin peace plan, which is we keep the 4 captured zones plus Crimea and you can't join NATO vs Ukraine keeps Kursk, this nuclear power plant, and then this natural gas distribution site that is the last connection to Europe.

Putin lost this war on the 4th day of his special military operation. The best he can hope for is to hold onto land. That's a lot harder when you're losing land that you had at the start.....

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Could have a couple of potential objectives:

  • Punch in the face that makes Russia & especially Putin look bad/weak, so it may hurt Russian/help Ukraine morale
  • May peel Russia's forces away from the fight in Ukraine, since not only do they have to retake it (it's not an option), but they may have to commit more forces across the rest of their border in areas that were once considered "safe"
  • If they're able to secure the territory long-term, it could help in potential future peace talks as a bargaining chip
  • Makes the effects of the war more widely felt by average Russians, since it's likely conscripted middle-class soldiers there vs the volunteer peons that are sent to die in Ukraine.
  • There is a supply route and a nuclear facility close by to that area, so potentially they're trying to hit supplies behind enemy lines.

Hopefully it works out well for them, as it is a big risk given that Russia is still on the offensive.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The best reason I've heard speculated is that Russia has stopped doing big advances, which will make it much harder for Ukraine to force losses in a war of attrition. By opening up this front they're forcing the Kremlin to throw more soldiers at them to be ground into sunflower fertilizer.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Yeah, they were about to run out of steam on their offensive and were about to convert to a defensive footing, which would give them an advantage. Taking Russian territory forces the Russians to keep going on the offensive, which could strain them and prevent them from building up their manpower/equipment as much while on the defensive. There’s no way Putin can allow sovereign Russian territory to be taken by another country. It’s a bold move and I hope it pays off.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The theory was that they prefer defensive operations at the moment, where they can do a lot more damage - and this forces Russia to oblige them by attacking.

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[–] Shard@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Well well well, how the turn tables...

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dont start nothing if you dont want to finish it

[–] And009@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago

I can finish nothing

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Many people are saying how many Nazis are in Russia.

See how easy it was to justify that Putikins?

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