this post was submitted on 08 Aug 2024
370 points (97.7% liked)

politics

18828 readers
4612 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
  2. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  3. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  4. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
  5. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  6. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
all 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 145 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"Come to think of it, denigrating the worth of a soldier’s service based on whether he deployed to a war zone is… kind of like denigrating the worth of a woman’s citizenship based on whether she happens to have children.”

— Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, on X, defending Gov. Tim Walz against accusations by Sen. J.D. Vance.

Damn Pete, you did it again...

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago

Buttigieg is like the bouncer, but for social media.

[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I was thinking it is almost its own form of stolen valor, but I'm not a vet, so my opinions remain just that.

Edit: "it" being to denigrate Waltz's honorable and valued service, in case that wasn't clear

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Not only that, but for JD Vance to act like his service was real service while Walz wasn't is just insulting to over 90% of the military that didn't deploy to a combat zone. Neither of them chose where to deploy. The military chooses for you. Also, Vance was in motherfucking public affairs. ~~Dude had a cushy ass job, probably spending his time checking grammar errors in press releases. He's acting like he was Ricky Recon fighting in Fallujah.~~ Additionally, Vance did 4 years, while Walz did 24 years. Walz also deployed to disaster response and got a fancy award called Nebraska Citizen-Soldier of the Year. Vance is being pathetic with his miltary superiority bs.

Edit: I was mistaken. It seems like he escorted journalists around and helped Iraqis, so he performed important and dangerous tasks.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The greasy weasel is gatekeeping.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 4 points 1 month ago

The greasy weasel is gatekeeping.

He is, right‽

[–] FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

There's a pretty high number of combat veterans who feel superior to the rest of us with non-combat roles. Humans get clique-y in every space it seems.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Dude had a cushy ass job, probably spending his time checking grammar errors in press releases.

I heard his role involved escorting journalists around Iraq, but yes, it seems he never experienced combat. ^[1]

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 4 points 1 month ago

Look who's talking shit about someone's military service now! ^it's me. I'm the one talking shit.^ 😬🤦‍♂️

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

probably spending his time checking grammar errors in press releases.

He was educated under No Child Left Behind. Is he capable of that job?

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 107 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The article comes to a proper conclusion with this paragraph.

Twenty-four years of service is nothing to sneeze at, and Vance is running alongside a known draft dodger who has repeatedly disparaged veterans and Gold Star families. If Vance wants to critique a man’s honor, he should start with his running mate.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I just can't help but wonder what Vance's tactic was here. Pointing out a Democrat's military service is only going to further shine a light onto Trump's lack of it.

Did Vance even serve?

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes. He did 4 years and was stationed in Iraq where he did not see combat because as he was assigned to public affairs and spent his time in an air conditioned office writing press releases.

Vance, who served in the Marines from 2003 to 2007 and deployed to Iraq, has said in his memoir that he never saw real combat and that he worked in the public affairs department while on deployment.

/Edit to add link

//2nd Edit to add that I don't mean to disparage Vance's service, only to point out the hypocrisy of him attacking another veteran for not seeing combat while he himself admits that he never saw combat.

[–] Maven@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Vance served in Iraq though he never saw combat himself.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh yeah. Private Bonespurs.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

That's Cadet Bone Spurs, to you. He never actually held any rank, not even private. (Thanks to Senator Tammy Duckworth for that appellation, btw).

[–] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Vance's claim that Walz abandoned his unit to avoid deployment to Iraq -- which has been echoed throughout the right -- was directly countered by Army Lt. Col. Ryan Rossman, director of operations for the Minnesota National Guard, who spoke to HuffPost.

The unit "received an alert order for mobilization to Iraq on July 14, 2005," Rossman said, two months after Walz retired. According to CNN, Walz first filed his paperwork to run for Congress in January of that same year, and -- as several veterans have noted -- the administrative process of a military retirement typically takes several months before approval. His unit would not deploy to Iraq until March of 2006.

JustseemingDesperate Vance is lying about as much as his idol

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Dumbass doesn't even know what stolen valor is. Walz never claimed to be an Iraq combat vet.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why is there any rank dispute?

Because facts don't matter to their feelings.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

he's gotta do something to distract attention away from his couch fucking

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

J.D. Vance did not fuck a couch. Please stop saying that J.D. fucked a couch. J.D. never once fucked a couch and he never will fuck a couch. I will deny that J.D. Vance fucked a couch forever and ever, because J.D. Vance, candidate for Vice President of the United States of America DID NOT fuck a couch. But I would believe it if it were true.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

he never will fuck a couch

At least keep an open mind 😏

[–] DigiDemiFiend@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Pump the brakes a little bit, you can't say he never did it. You can say there's no proof he ever fucked a couch. We may never know.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Doesn't this move just call attention to Trump's "bone spurs"? It should.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I see where JD is coming from. He's coming from his dick which is currently placed in an Uptown Black Leather 84'' Sofa at Bob's Discount Furniture on Monroe St in Toledo, OH.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago

BS and a weird thing to do

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And where was Trump at during the Vietnam war when he was supposed to be called up for duty...?

Honestly, I think Trump should own that one and just come out and say, "I thought it was an unjust war and I didn't want to participate in it," but that undercuts the attack they're trying to make against Walz, which is already a pretty weak argument as it is. Plus, it makes Trump look like a coward (amongst Republicans).

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

...which he is though. He's dodging debates imagine combat

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Says the creepy former marine who is a little too interested in marine life.

[–] FewerWheels@mander.xyz 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What are Cadet Bone Spurs thoughts on this? Oh yeah, he thinks veterans are suckers.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

No one knows. He’s been oddly absent and silent except for a couple plaintive wails on truth social. For which I am grateful. The joyful warrior schtick is much more palatable fare for the 24hr news cycle.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It is all over x now. Every bot is now spewing this lie after every Harris/Waltz post.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Elon Musk feverishly boosting them in the background in a desperate attempt to save his dream of being an untouchable oligarch

[–] Ioughttamow@kbin.run 3 points 1 month ago

Swiftboat 2?