Weird analogy, you don't to pay a subscription for your nice watch to keep the right time
this post was submitted on 31 Jul 2024
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Ssssshhhh, for god's sake don't give them any ideas.
If it's a nice watch you're setting it almost every time you use it
Hell, mine needs wound up every time.
Haha same
I have used nothing but Logitech thumb-ball mice for the past 20 years. I love my MX Ergo.
If Logitech ever sells a mouse with a subscription, I don't care how nice it is, I'll have my own fucking PCB made and design my own QMK capable mouse before I'll pay for it.
Just sell me the $90 mouse that lasts 5 years. I refuse to accept mouse feudalism.
I got a "Ploopy" a while back. Open source, QMK powered mouse. Terrible name, but it's been working like a charm. All components are 3D printed or can be purchased cheaply. No good wireless options right now, though. The power efficient protocols needed are all proprietary afaik.
That's cool! I only really do thumb-ball mice, though, and I haven't really seen alternatives to Logitech in the same form-factor. I imagine they might even have a patent on it.
Buuuut I'm betting I can do stuff like repair the couple of MX Ergos I have lying around if I need to if I get motivated about it. Or like, maybe there's a way I can have replacement parts fabricated or use the shell of a Logitech mouse as the basis for something similar.
You hear that Logitech? Charge me a subscription fee and I will absolutely figure this out and distribute blueprints and repair guides to the whole ass internet. I appreciate your ergonomics, your unifying dongles, your precision mode, and all your hotkeys, but $90 is plenty for a mouse. Don't get greedy or I will personally bite you in the ass.
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But I have a mouse from 20 years ago that works just fine.
I'm using a Logitech mouse from probably 15 years ago that gets daily use and works just fine. I'm not sure how much it cost, but I don't think I've ever paid more than about $20 for a mouse and probably the only reason I'd have picked one from Logitech is that it was the only one available at the shop I happened to be in at the time that wasn't a ridiculous overpriced "gaming" product.
I guess exactly this is part of the companies' problem here. It's bad for the shareholder value and the managers' bonuses.
We have Logitech wired mice at work and they've turned into straight garbage in recent years. I've literally opened one brand new and had the cable begin fraying where it feeds into the mouse within a week. Previously, our Logitech mice would last for years without issue with 24/7 use.
[click click, click click click click] Hmm, why's it not... Honey, did we pay the mouse bill this month?
"Forever mouse" is a marketing term to sell you a subscription. I'm not going to pay a subscription to get driver updates or to use basic functionality of the mouse. I have a forever keyboard (expensive mechanical keyboard) and it does not require a subscription and I can use the entire functionality without paying ever again.
I don't even have the software for my mouse installed. I think she's massively overestimating the value of mouse software updates.
She's just trying to figure out how to make renting cheap peripherals make sense so that you can keep paying Logitech forever.
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Perhaps I am incredibly naive, but for me a “Forever mouse” is something you buy, own, and have control absolute over!
Seriously, fuck all these "subscription" ideas.
Why in the ever-loving fuck would I want to pay a subscription for a goddam computer mouse? Some techbro fuckwit is probably chest-bumping his own reflection in the mirror for coming up with this dumb idea.
Here's a novel idea to help you keep revenue going the right direction: try innovating something truly useful and new, rather than selling the same, regurgitated Hotel California bullshit to hapless users.
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Subscription-based hardware should be illegal.
If you're renting something, you rent it and give it back to be rented out again if you stop paying. There is no common good argument for this remote sabotage bullshit.
She can fuck right off with that. I have a mouse that fell apart because it used soft plastic, another one I threw away because I couldn't clean properly (taking it apart to clean broke something), and now I have one from logitech. My parents have a mouse from (I kid you not) 1995. Brand is unknown. There were already "forever" mice out there, it's just that now they voluntarily make them shit for you to buy a new one.
Just make mice like 20 years ago but in different forms (vertical, ball at the thumb), that can be opened to clean and repair, and we're fine. No need for your dumb-ass subscription. Fuck off.
What? Nooo. I don't want the stupid mouse-balls ever again. Sure i could clean it but i also HAD to. Regularly.
Besides, you're right. Fuck subscriptions. Fuck logitech, fuck their shitty quality.
They're talking about a Trackball mouse e.g., not the pre laser mice (or they're nuts). Good ergonomics, useful for carpal tunnel etc.
FWIW I've found their high-end mice pretty robust, my MX Master 2 is still going strong 5+ years in, if cosmetically challenged. Amortised over time, the price is not so bad.
Oooh right trackball-mice. Totally forgot they exist 😁 Ok the mice are ok. For the price. Nothing is like it was before. But their keyboards... Some months later the markings already peel off, cables break very quickly.
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ssm has an idea for a "forever list" of companies he will never buy from
Nobody tell them that generic mouse drivers are part of every USB driver devkit.
They know. And that's the "problem" they're trying to "innovate" around.
This is nothing but rent-seeking.
Of course this is an idea that the CEO brought up, but if this ever materializes as an actual product, I'll never buy a Logitech again.
I love how the community can smell bullshit miles away.
What's the value proposition here? Free no-questions-asked replacement if it breaks? Free upgrades when new models come out (though they have no real incentive to keep developing new "forever mice")?
If my mice on average last, say, 6 years and cost $175 (I splurged on a high-end one last time), the subscription will have to be less than $2.40/month, and since customers absolutely hate subscriptions, especially if there's no real benefit, probably even less than $1.50/month for most to even consider it.
In fact the Logitech mouse before my current mouse lasted 12 years and cost me $75, so that's a max subscription cost of 50 cents/month for it to be comparable.
It will be $7.99 - look it's so much less than $175, so much cheaper!
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The article says this mouse will be $200 upfront, plus the subscription.
This is as stupid an idea as Wendy's 'surge pricing' nonsense.
They already did that when Logitech was still a quality company back in the day. Their peripherals turned into Trust level shit ages ago.
They can't even make a mouse that doesn't double click after a year. Dumbass.
I have never had to replace a mouse ever. I swear the mouse I'm using is from the early 2000's
I’m not planning to throw that watch away ever. So why would I be throwing my mouse or my keyboard away if it’s a fantastic-quality, well-designed, software-enabled mouse?
Because watch technology is mature and isn't changing. Nobody's making a better watch every few years.
That generally isn't true of computer hardware.
In the 1980s, you had maybe a one or two button mouse with mechanical optical encoder rings turned by a ball that gummed up and would stick.
After that:
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A third mouse button showed up
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A scrollwheel showed up
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Optical sensors showed up.
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Better optical sensors showed up, with the ability to function on arbitrary surfaces and dejittering.
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Polling rate improved
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Mice got the ability to go to sleep if not being used.
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More buttons showed up, with mice often having five or more buttons.
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Tilt scrollwheels showed up
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Wireless mice showed up
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Better wireless protocols showed up
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Optical sensor resolutions drastically increased
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Weight decreased
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Foot pads used less-friction-inducing material.
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Several updates happened to track changing ports (on PC, serial, PS/2, USB-A, and probably soon USB-C).
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The transparent mouse bodies that were initially-used on many optical mice (to show off the LED and that they were optical) went away as companies figured out that people did not want to have flashing red mice. (I was particularly annoyed by this, modded a trackball that used a translucent ball to use a near-infrared LED back in the day).
If wristwatches had improved like that over the past 40 years, you likely wouldn't be keeping an older one either.
If you think that there isn't going to be any more change in mice, okay, maybe you can try selling people on the same mouse for a long time. I'm skeptical.
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Sometimes I am glad that super cheap Chinese hardware is a thing and I can always switch to those in case these greedy companies all became shit
I'm going to blame the cloud for this. SaaS has got pretty much most software companies into the idea that they can have their cake and eat it with recurring revenue from cloud hosting their services.
This seems to have overflowed into every other market, where they want a piece of that pie.
I'm hoping it's a fad that goes away. You know how we can make it a fad that goes away? Don't buy into this shit.
Disgusting. Utterly disgusting. This idea belongs in the garbage bin.
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What's a mouse?
I use a trackpad
The lenovo version of trackpad on my thinkpad has buttons on the top & bottom along with trackpoint that works when nothing else will..
I even have a usb keyboard with a trackpad
I bought a gaming mouse [not logitech] to set up a distro that wouldn't install by trackpad for $12 once the install finished, it sits on a shelf
A forever mouse is a solution in search of a problem
The customer base of people who use mice is shrinking, most people use their phones or pads a majority of the time
My experience is so different, and so are the market statistics. A "forever mouse" is a dumb idea just looking for a subscription cash grab, but the PC mouse market is expanding year over year as more people get desktop computers, and especially for PC gaming, an expanding market in its own right. The customer base of people who use mice might be shrinking in some Linux communities, but stating that across the board is just incorrect.
what you wrote sounds completely insane to me. sure i don't use a mouse on my phone very much, but no way would i ever prefer a trackpad to a mouse for a desktop or laptop. and tons of people still carry a mouse to use with their laptops, based on my observations. i really think you may be an outlier here.
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Hardware that lasts forever? Great idea! Just make it as sturdy and user-repairable as possible, and there's no need for a subscription
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