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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Old saying "Fire and flight regulations are written in blood." Food regulations are likely written in various excretions?

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 10 points 1 hour ago

What is so incredible is that we are living st a time with such massive food surplus that it would blow the mind of anyone living in the past... but they will let all of it go to waste and just add bullshit to the food just because they can...

[–] toadjones79@lemm.ee 38 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Bleach, actually. A small amount of bleach added to spoiled milk makes it taste brand new. The government actually suggested this in a few countries for a while.

Plaster in flour was common enough that after the miller, the middle men, and then the baker all added a cut, there were loaves being sold with less than 20% flour in them. The result was mass malnutrition.

Also, and this is a spicy one but backed by basic economics, regulations are a required element to capitalism. The notion that deregulation is pro capitalism is a misinterpretation of the idea that markets are self regulating. A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations. All our current economic woes are the result of straying away from proven economic theory (mostly deregulation) to the right allowing the corruption of the marketplace and emergence of a strong oligarchy.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

Saw dust was also added to flour. Various heavy metals would be added to food to enhance their color.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations.

We've had numerous laws precisely because companies couldn't play fair, and made things worse for all involved. The government didn't pass laws against company towns, scrip, and predatory pricing because they decided to ban things for fun.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

is plaster bread low calorie

[–] Ramenator@lemmy.world 1 points 43 minutes ago

Technically. The constipation would probably balance out the weight loss though

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (4 children)

That's just the free market working as intended. Collateral damage.

Maybe people should do research on the available milk brands before giving it to their children if they didn't want them to drink bleach.

Edit: I tried to resist adding the "/s," but we live in crazy (stupid) times, so...

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 47 minutes ago

Poe's law and all that

[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 hours ago

With no regulation there will be no other milk brands.

[–] stelelor@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 hours ago

Excellent idea! I'm sure that information will be readily available from independent trustworthy sources that are not the government! Failing that, I always have my trusty mass spectrometer in my kitchen and I run all my foods through it just in case!

[–] T156@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe people should do research on the available milk brands before giving it to their children if they didn’t want them to drink bleach.

Without regulation, the company could also just lie. Nothing would dictate that they would have to tell the truth about their product.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Well that's why you need to do your own research. As in looking at products under microscopes, doing physics equations, etc.

If you're not an expert on every product you purchase (and the science behind them), well then that's on you and your kid deserves getting lead poisoning from his band-aids.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 10 hours ago
[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 25 points 10 hours ago

This is true, but it's important to remember that some regulations were not written in blood, but instead in racism - see R1-zoning as one of the most significant examples.

Regulations are just tools, really. They can evidently be used for good, and should be used for good, but some are being used for bad and should be reformed.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 76 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

To continue with the argument of "the market will self-regulate and people wouldn't buy that brand anymore so they would never do it again"

Okay but how many people died, how many people are suffering long-term effects, and what's stopping them from adding a different deadly thing to our food?

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 hours ago

To continue with the argument of "the market will self-regulate and people wouldn't buy that brand anymore so they would never do it again"

Turns out the parent company owns every other brand of that product, so going to another brand is meaningless

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago

And also they're already basically Monopolies. You don't have real options. Most food products come from like 3 mega corps who own hundreds of brands.

[–] ApatheticCactus@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Market self regulation assumes informed consumers that are smart enough to know what things mean. Also it assumes healthy competition and companies that are competing to make the best product at the chrapest price. It ALSO assumes brand lotalty isn't a thing, and consumers are judging things purely objectively.

Like, i understand the idea, but in practice there are a ton of caveats.

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 2 points 58 minutes ago

Market self regulation assumes informed consumers that are smart enough to know what things mean

Not just smart enough, but informed enough. That means every person spending literally hundreds/thousands of hours per week researching every single aspect of every purchase they make. Investigating supply chains, performing chemical analysis on their foods and clothing, etc. It's not even remotely realistic.

So instead, we outsource and consolidate that research and testing, by paying taxes to a central authority who verifies all manufacturers keep things safe so we don't have to worry about accidentally buying Cheerios that are laced with lead. AKA: The government and regulations.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 43 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

wouldn’t buy that brand anymore so they would never do it again

Assuming there is perfect information in the market. In reality there is heavy information asymmetry.

It also assumes free competition while we have every market dominated by a few players buying up everyone else, often with cartel like behavior.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 24 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It also assumes it is immediately deadly poison, and doesn't do something like cause early dementia 25 years later.

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 12 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It also assumes the masses behave rationally, which they won’t ever.

We’ll just get the cheapest shit with the limited information we are given, unless it is life-or-death, where we will pay any price out of fear.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago

Also, if you want inspections to make sure there isn't bird shit in the milk, then you need regulation. Otherwise people are just drinking bird shit and they don't know.

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[–] Red0ctober@lemmy.world 88 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Regulations are written in blood

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 hours ago

But I'm an alpha man child and I need to make people bleed to prove it!

[–] Ambiance6195@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Speaking of Americans, at least half of us are criminally uneducated and watch literally nothing but Fox News. You can't teach them even with indisputable proof. If the talking heads say it's bad, then it's bad.

[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Framing one half of the population as beyond saving or inherently evil is not just lazy - it’s historically dangerous. It reduces millions of individuals into a caricature and gives people permission to treat them with contempt, as if that’s somehow virtuous. That kind of thinking has been used to justify some of the worst things we’ve done to each other as humans.

When you actually talk to people outside your bubble, you quickly realize that most of us want the same basic things - stability, safety, meaning, a fair shot in life. We just have different beliefs about how to get there. Writing off entire groups as irredeemable only erodes any future possibility of understanding or change.

[–] Ambiance6195@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

For fucks sake, this whole "let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya" response is pure garbage. They're trying to pull that "oh, it's just different opinions" crap, but that's a load of bullshit. We're not talking about whether pineapple belongs on pizza here. We're talking about a movement built on lies, hate, and actively trying to undo hundreds of years of suffrage and civil rights movements that allow you to have free speach.

This ain't about "different beliefs on how to get there." Half these people are living in a fantasy world where facts don't matter and anyone who doesn't look or think like them is the enemy. You can't "understand" someone who thinks immigrants are poisoning the blood of America or that the last election was stolen with zero proof. That's not a "belief"; that's a dangerous delusion.

And this whole "tolerance" nonsense? Please. You don't tolerate people who want to strip away your rights or incite violence against your neighbors. That's not virtuous; that's being a damn doormat. Some ideas are just plain wrong, and some people are so far gone on the Fox News Kool-Aid that they're beyond reason. Pretending otherwise is just enabling the madness.

The Paradox of Tolerance is akin to an invading force telling the insurgence that no one else has to die as long as they comply.

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