…to be independent is to be frustrated with the two party system…
Like water is wet.
this post was submitted on 28 Apr 2025
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Jesus, if only there was a party the was in the primaries that supported a voting system that isn't first past the post.
Oh wait.
https://www.progressivecaucuscenter.org/ranked-choice-voting
Support ranked choice voting! This is the best way to move away from a two party system presently available to us. Also, Freakonomics had a fun episode on duopoly (episode 356)
My state rejected the state-wide RCV measure in November :-\
So do old independents
If you mean everyone ever.... ok
Sigh. Welcome to the party.
The reason mainstream media switched to "both sides" after four years of defending Biden and pretending he was perfect is instead of Biden getting to place another corpo friendly DNC chair, the DNC got to vote and picked the most progressive chair in over 50 years.
Is Ken Martin perfect?
Nope, but billionaire owned media turning against the party almost on the day he was elected should be enough to tell us it was a victory.
Now is when progressives need to rally around the DNC, the neoliberals will vote Republican like they did in 08, but there's so few neoliberal voters it won't matter now either.
I don't really want neoliberals in my coalition anyways, I don't like associating with people who smugly talk over other people to push shit ideas that don't work while innocent USians are suffering and dying everyday. I also don't like associating with people that bring nothing to the table but a liability to the legitimacy of the political coalitions they assume they are the heart and soul of.
spits on the ground heck no I am never rallying around the DNC again and neither are other younger people, corporate centrists can come begging to our feet for our vote and we will give it to them if they stop wasting our time with empty feckless promises.
It is up to the DNC to prove to the people holding the gas cans that it is reformable, and so far their argument still sucks.
Try harder lights match while whistling jeopardy theme.
Still waiting for proof centrists learned anything from this election other than that they are ok with genocide and that we must always accept the framing of conservative arguments and move right (which is the only thing US centrist neoliberals seem to be capable of concluding).
mean when Democrats were falsely advertising hope and change but never followed through as usual and Obama just went to basketball games, but the workers never got living wages and nothing else happened from all the empty promises
just enough crumbs were given out to brainwash the citizens into thinking Democrats were on their side and to hold up the two-party sham even longer with the basis being Republicans are evil
both parties are just elite puppets putting on a grand theatrical performance
the problem here is that nobody takes the time to think about how civics actually work in this country. the most important, qualitative elections people can participate in are municipal and state ones, but none of y'all ever turn up. guess who has been voting in municipal and state elections since the 80s? if you already guessed in your head, you're probably already correct.
if you want living wages in your area, start by electing a mayor or city council that will actually do it. if you want police accountability, make your city or town do it. hate the entire political system that works in your area? you actually have the power to change that! they're basically the last civil workers who actually have to be somewhat pragmatic and not operate entirely on polemic lines. nobody cares if you're republican or democratic if the sewers aren't running.
it's not that hippy-dippy — the phrase "think globally, act locally" is basically the play from here until forever.
the problem here is that nobody takes the time to think about how civics actually work in this country.
This rapper does an amazing job of breaking down why people don't vote, what elections they need to be voting in, and why so many people misrepresent our political system.
mean when Democrats were falsely advertising hope and change but never followed through as usual and Obama just went to basketball games, but the workers never got living wages and nothing else happened from all the empty promises
Was that 50 years ago?
Did Obama nominate a progressive DNC chair or did he ignore the DNC because the neoliberals running it actively worked against him, which allowed the neoliberals to remain in control of the DNC?
Because buddy...
It seems like you're not informed about the topic.
Quick edit:
To clarify I mean the first time the DNC pushed a more conservative candidate than Dem voters wanted in an attempt to steal Republican voters: Jimmy Carter.
The fact that he's remembered as the last "true left" president shows how much the party has fallen. At the time the party was fractured because Jimmy wasn't progressive enough for the Dem voting base. And we've only moved right since the, until the 2025 DNC chair election.
Battles have been fought and the war was won, neoliberals do t run the DNC anymore
The solution is to have no parties. Everyone just runs for office on their own
The first past the post system will still spoil the vote with more than two candidates. The solution is ranked choice voting.
Ranked choice is a step in the right direction, but Approval Voting is better and more intuitive, imo.
Sorry, I can't keep up with all the new models and I thought ranked choice was in some way a catch-all for "models that don't suck like first-past-the-post"
It's the most well known and actually implemented in a couple states. But it has some weaknesses I'm less than a fan of.
We could go down this rabbit hole all the way to Schulze, but IMHO it's more important to unify behind anything clone-independent just to get out from under this duopoly.
Well, yes. Ranked choice and no parties. ;)
That only works if truly nobody is "backed" by a larger organization. Taking away party affiliation just makes it harder to identify where a candidates loyalties lie.
No candidate should have loyalties to any group other than the American citizens.
Nice thought but literally impossible. Everyone has loyalties to something.
And people already can't be bothered to know what the stances in major issues between the two main parties are, you really expect the average voter to research random individuals?
Have you ever tried looking up info in those local school board candidates? Half of them don't have anything online at all. Still, despite how easy it is to make a website
I don’t.
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