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OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right.

How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we're going to allow Elon to murder every year?

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[–] bluGill@fedia.io 10 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Deer on the road is an edge case that humans cannot handle well. In general every option other than hitting the deer is overall worse - which is why most insurance companies won't increase your rates if you hit a deer and file a claim for repairs.

The only way to not hit/kill hundreds of deer (thousands? I don't know the number) every year is to reduce rural speed limits to unreasonably slow speeds. Deer jump out of dark places right in front of cars all the time - the only option to avoid it that might work is either drive in the other lanes (which sometimes means into an oncoming car), or into the ditch (you have no clue what might be there - if you are lucky the car just rolls, but there could be large rocks or strong fence posts and the car stops instantly. Note that this all happens fast, you can't think you only get to react. Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 57 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

Which the Tesla didn't do. It plowed full speed into the deer, which arguably made the collision much much worse than it could have been. I doubt the thing was programmed to maintain speed into a deer. The more likely alternative is that the FSD couldn't tell there was a deer there in the first place.

[–] Hubi 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The problem is not that the deer was hit, a human driver may have done so as well. The actual issue is that the car didn't do anything to avoid hitting it. It didn't even register that the deer was there and, what's even worse, that there was an accident. It just continued on as if nothing happened.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, the automated system should be better than a human. That is the whole point of collision detection systems!

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Right. I was trying to decide whether to mention that deer can be hard to spot in time. Even in the middle of the road like this, they’re non-reflective and there may be no movement to catch the eye. It’s very possible for a human to be zoning out and not notice this deer in time

But yeah, this is where we need the car to help. This is what the car should be better than human with. This is what would make ai a good tool to improve safety. If it saw the deer

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Deer jump out of dark places

that one was just standing there, yo

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

If tesla also used radar or other sensing systems instead of limiting themselves to only cameras then being in the dark wouldn't be an issue.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Deer on the road is an edge case that humans cannot handle well.

If I'm driving at dawn or dusk, when they're moving around in low light I'm extra careful when driving. I'm scanning the treeline, the sides of the road, the median etc because I know there's a decent chance I'll see them and I can slow down in case they make a run across the road. So far I've seen several hundred deer and I haven't hit any of them.

Tesla makes absolutely no provision in this regard.

This whole FSD thing is a massive failure of oversight, no car should be doing self driving without using cameras and radar and Tesla should be forced to refund the ~~suckers~~ customers who paid for this feature.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 6 days ago

Sure, I do that too. I also have had damage because a deer I didn't see jumped out of the trees onto the road. (Though as others pointed out this case the deer was on the road with plenty of time to stop (or at least greatly slow down), but the Tesla did nothing.

[–] DanglingFury@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Damn right. Stomp the brakes and take it to the face.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev -5 points 6 days ago

In general every option other than hitting the deer is overall worse

You're wrong. The clear solution here is to open suicide-prevention clinics for the depressed deer.