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Biden at the Democratic convention was unrecognisable from his disastrous debate
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The debate was a one-off for Biden, and that's the way the cookies crumble.
Trump said the Dems were doing post-birth abortions.
Biden had a raspy voice.
Who was destroyed by the media?
Howard Dean said “yeaaahh!” strangely that one time and that was it for him. It doesn’t take much.
Because our media is shit
Biden really was visibly too old. But they’re also pretty good at ginning up issues literally out of nothing when they want to.
The media still haven't realized that they're a bunch of highly educated puppies. They write well and can form a compelling story, but at the end of the day they get distracted by, and tend to focus on, any flashy or squeaky object in their periphery.
Pretty sure you're talking about two different groups of people inside "the media" there.
That's confusing cause and effect. Howard Dean's speech was supposed to be a concession speech after losing the only early primary/caucus he was trying to win. He poured in all of his resources in the hopes of winning Iowa, underperformed expectations against a backdrop of dropping in the polls for weeks, and coming in third (with no real prospects for New Hampshire or South Carolina) basically made it impossible for him to have the volunteers, money, or press coverage to survive into the next stage of competing in bigger states with primaries clumped up together.
He showed everyone his plan of winning Iowa or going home, lost Iowa, and then gave some kind of rallying speech as if he had a plan to recover from that loss. He never did, and it wasn't the scream that killed his campaign. His campaign was dead before the scream happened. It's just that the scream was a particularly memorable way for a campaign to die.
Big pet peeve of mine when people attribute his decline to the Dean Scream. The scream was the final nail in the coffin.
Yeah, but y'see - that's way less funny
people didn't like that scream?
That's a pretty rad scream.
EEeeYEAH-HyeeuuUH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkNnMrsx7Q?t=50
There's a lot of fragile people out there who can't handle things like rad screams, dijon mustard, or women's right to self-determination.
but that's the trifecta...
oh, you mean weirdos.
Back when the internet was fun, there was a flash game where you could play as the different presidential nominees, and Howard Dean's special move was the "Dean Scream" where he would scream flipping back and forth from left to right, and all the enemies on screen would fall down. Top tier.
that sounds awesome. the Dean Scream.
Don't forget that we voted for Bush because people would rather have a beer in their back yard with him than with Kerry.
That's a pretty generous summation of the problems with Biden's debate performance. It was also hardly a one-off. Every time Biden appears it's a coin flip for which Biden shows up, which is why he appears so infrequently.
You are absolutely right about how Trump's bullshit gets largely ignored by the press though.
Remember that Biden has a stutter. It's a condition that has no cure and can only be managed.
Nobody has forgotten the stutter.
It was hardly a one-off. He was setting off alarm bells left and right beforehand, and the debate was his chance to regain some confidence. And he had a bad night then as well. So yah, he has his good days, but it's pretty apparent that his good days are getting far between.
This was the right decision, it's a shame he had to be pretty much forced into it by everyone else that saw it. I blame his handlers, and they should have their asses handed to them for trying to fuck the rest of us by keeping him past his best-before date and giving Trump the presidency.
Biden said we finally beat Medicare.
It blows my mind that “Biden just had a raspy voice!!” isn’t banned as misinformation here. Because it literally is, there is no reasonable way to interpret “we beat Medicare” being yelled over and over as the result of a raspy voice. Absolute memory hole shit.
My favorite bullshit excuse was when they pretended it was jet lag when he hadn't been on a plane in two weeks.
I remember Jon Stewart: "How big was that jet?!?"
People were so pissed off at Jon Stewart because he was talking about it and suggesting Biden drop out. Really made me realize exactly how big the culty echo chamber can be on the left too.
I'm always blue but my god let's not pretend Biden just "always had a stutter" or other bs excuses. The dude is old. He can have good moments but it's pretty obvious he's on the decline and isn't fit for another four year term.
I don't know anyone except Republicans who would consider Biden or his supporters "the left"...
They're dyed in wool neoliberals that supportered Hillary and Bill before her, and Biden's been with the Clintons forever, he wrote the 92 "child super predator" crime bill that fucked everything up. There's not many left, but they're loud as hell anytime anyone doesn't say their candidate is the bestest and prettiest candidate ever.
If you're not 100% with them. You're against them as much as if you're voting trump, and they'll say anything in the moment that defends their ingroup. Even if it contradicts what they just said
"Horseshoe theory" is bullshit, but unsurprisingly the most conservative wing of every political party act very similar.
They don't want loyalty, they want unquestionable support and zero questions just in general.
Speaking personally, I was scared to death of a Trump presidency again, and there was nothing I could do about it other than support the guy that was twilighting on national TV. I felt there was no other option in June. It was awful.
I was intrigued to find out last night what he meant to say.
"We finally beat Big Pharma."
That's a big brag for "we lowered prices on a handful of drugs... for Medicare recipients only."
Apparently universal healthcare (AKA Medicare for All, single-payer) is some kind of glass ceiling for Democrats. You have to reject it in order to get nominated. Hillary reversed her position on it; so did Harris.
What else could he have meant?
I might not be steeped enough in politics to immediately be able to parse the sentence with the word swap. I do like to think I’m usually pretty good at finishing somebody else’s sandwiches but drew a blank with that line.
Bullshit.
I really thought we were past the gaslighting that the only thing wrong with Biden was a sore throat. But here we are....
Yeah - let's not glaze him up too much, or they might try to swap back.
Let him ride off into the sunset. The speech was okay, but I'd still rather have almost anyone else than him as the candidate (probably still not Hill-dawg)... and Kamala isn't at the bottom of that list of my prefs, so let's get her in office before we worry about whether or not the 80+ year old current president was awesome at his little send-off / goodbye speech.
Awesome to hear they let AOC speak though. Times really are shifting. You love to see it.
OMG! They allowed her to speak! Wow.
Pathetic how happy the left gets over these crumbs being thrown to us.
I think you misinterpreted my “surprise” as some sort of Simping / ass kissing for the DNC.
Perhaps I should’ve phrased it more like :
“it was awesome hearing AOC. Surprised that the DNC did that. Times are changing.”
He was also getting hammered on Gaza. Over 650,000 Democrats voted "uncommitted" in the primary.