There's this strange resentment the rest of Germany has for Bavaria that I didnt realize was serious until I moved to Hesse.
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My wife and I lived in Germany for 2 years. We went to Munich for a weekend and had an excellent historical walking tour across the city, provided for free by our hostel.
During that tour, we learned that pretty much every stereotype Americans have for Germans (lederhosen, yodeling, beer and brats, etc.) are actually Bavarian culture, not German. And Germans are actually quite offended at the confusion we have between their culture and Bavarian culture.
We also learned that Bavaria used to be quite wealthy and powerful, and intended to split off into their own independent nation at one time. But then Hitler set up shop there and made it his headquarters for the Third Reich. The city was absolutely decimated during WWII, and when the war was over, they not only had to rebuild from scratch, but also had to contribute to rebuilding the rest of Germany, as well as paying for war damages for Europe and all Allied nations, etc. Their wealth was pretty much depleted and their hope of being an independent nation was gone.
During that tour, we learned that pretty much every stereotype Americans have for Germans (lederhosen, yodeling, beer and brats, etc.) are actually Bavarian culture, not German.
So for lederhosen, it's mostly true, although they're traditional in Austria too. Yodeling is Alpine culture and not specifically Bavarian, meaning it exists in Bavaria, in Austria and Switzerland. For beer, only weissbier is truly Bavarian; e.g. pilsener originated from Czechia, lager originated from Austria [til!]. And although there are Bavarian bratwurst variants, bratwursts are not specifically Bavarian. However, veal sausage (weisswurst) is exclusively Bavarian.
And Germans are actually quite offended at the confusion we have between their culture and Bavarian culture.
That is true. I think to some degree this confusion comes from the fact that so many Americans were stationed in Bavaria after WWII, so they only got to experience this part of German culture.
[...] when the war was over, they not only had to rebuild from scratch, but also had to contribute to rebuilding the rest of Germany, as well as paying for war damages for Europe and all Allied nations, etc. Their wealth was pretty much depleted and their hope of being an independent nation was gone.
I am not particularly versed in Bavarian history, but note that some Bavarians have developed a bit of a fetish portraying themselves as victims of injust decisions from on high. I would take that info with a grain of salt.
Bavaria was a very agricultural heavy state, that made a few things right in the last few hounded years. Bavaria has like every over German state a long and rich independent history. Only Bavarian nationalists dream of an independent Bavaria. Hitler joined the NSDAP in Munich and it was one of it's early strongholds. Most German cities were destroyed in WWII. Germany did not "pay" reparations, because they still had a lot of open dept from WWI. They paid with land, factories, infrastructure and forced labor. What the guide meant was probably the so-called "soli". It is a special tax that was levied from former Westgerman states to support former GDR states, which did not develop as much under the socialist rule. That tax was and is controversial and was changed to nowadays only applie to richer people.
Bavaria was always a big state in german, that tries to play a special role. Especially their main party the CSU participated in German politics, while enforcing predominantly Bavarian Interests. These methodes were obviously anti democratic but only borderline illegal and forced the government to restructure the parliament.
So yea. I grew up in Bavaria and I get why most Germans are quite annoyed with bavarians.
It is the German Texas.
But damn the beer is good. I don't like beer or alcohol really, but I make the exception for Bavarian or most German beers.
Pf Bavarian only drink Weizen and Weißbier. For good pilsners you have to go somewhere else
Antisemite Aiwanger, extensive preventative jail, attempts on dismantling state equalisation payments, lack of secularisation, decades-long opposition to queer legalisation, abortion, social security, asylum in general et cetera
Nah, those are too recent or too political, the resentment feels more cultural. Maybe the CSU fuckery when fielding ministerial positions counts.
Streaming videos on my phone using speaker for audio while at the restaurant eating lunch. I figured for sure, everyone would want to get in on that awesome stand-up comedy action or zany talk show that I enjoy with my meal. It turns out that (gasp!) some people even think it's rude...LOL.
No, I hate that. Standup comedy is so overrated, what I want to hear is your phone call!
To those people who say you can't express sarcasm over text.
Fucking really? Can you not see it here either?
I'd rather a hundred of those than some kid with mommy's iPhone watching brainrotting Youtube Kids videos all day with the sound on. At least then I won't feel bad for the kid.
JFC. Sometimes people visit us with kids and it's just arrive > open youtube > commence rot > spice it up 9yo twerking.
My partner is pregnant with our first child. I get the convenience of free child distraction, I also get that I might find myself doing exactly this in several years, but honestly I really hope I can find ways to at least minimise this. It just seems so Orwellian or... wall-e-ian.
I swear my kids are probably going to hate me because I'll be the most boring dad around that forces kids to play outside instead of doing all the fun stuff.
I'm sure they only do this while "mummy is visiting" and it doesn't happen at home.
I think it's fine in moderation and when it's some manually curated service like the children's section of streaming platforms (but even then it's not perfect considering Cocomelon exists), or in the case of YouTube you're watching it WITH your kid to avoid running into anything weird (though I think any platform meant for content aimed towards children should be 100% manually curated). The problem is when it's excessive or it winds up sending your five year old down a bizarre rabbithole of pregnant Spiderman twerking videos because you didn't bother to moderate what they were watching.
Cilantro and onions. Y'all wouldn't last a day in Mexico.
Unfortunately I have the gene, but onions are great though.
Cilantro is one of the best things in life.
There's a generic thing with cilantro that makes some people think it tastes like soap. I don't have it, but my wife does. I hardly notice cilantro, but even a little ruins a dish for her.
Pineapple pizza.
Is it much different from other savory food that comes with a sweet side dish? Just as cranberry fits to venison, the taste of pineapple fits the ham those pizze typically are covered with.
I played like 40hours of Cyberpunk 2077 before going on social media. I Thought it was going to get "mid" reviews, but I guess I got really lucky to not hit any serious bugs. Lesson being: If you wanna enjoy a game, don't look at any marketing materials, and don't seek out social media about it until you've had time to form your own opinions.
I read reviews before buying on day 2, basically. Sure, I expected some bugs, as the reviewers warned. I barely got any, just some visual glitches during cutscenes. Still, I would give the game a solid 8/10.
Came out of my playthrough to everyone raging about everything about the game. Couldn't even give an honest opinion about the game without being downvoted to oblivion because people who never even played the game refused to believe the game was playable at all.
1991 Hook with Robin Williams. I love that movie, but it seems that most people I encounter that didn't grow up with it think it's lame and boring.
So maybe not hate, but not love either.
RUFIOOOOOO
Didn't realize people didn't like it.
For those of us who grew up with it, it was amazing! I saw it in the theater on release.
Electric Vehicles.
electric vehicles will only save the car industry
wdym
they are not a real solution to issues made by cars: environmental, economic, social...
It does solve some environmental issues, not economic and social but no one claimed it would.
Cilantro
I don't like cilantro. I don't hate cilantro. Everyone shouts that it's a genetic thing, so apparently it's not possible that I can have a distaste for a common food while also not thinking it tastes like soap.
Every time it comes up, somebody wants to feel smug and tell me "well you know..". It's the one food where if you don't like it, it has to be a genetic thing. Maybe I can just not like how it tastes as much as others. Maybe I don't mind it in salsa but don't like it in my soup. Just because I don't mind a finger in my butt doesn't mean I want a dick in my mouth.
I’m the opposite. My sister and dad hate it, so it’s very possible I have the gene, plus it tastes like soap to me, but only mildly and I kinda like it. I don’t want to eat a tabbouleh made with cilantro instead of parsley, but a sprig or two freshens a dish up nicely.
Mango (only fresh ones and more so near the stem and pit) and rosemary also taste like soap to me, but I also enjoy them 🤷
Snap on Ubuntu. I totally did not comprehend that it was proprietary; I just thought it was convenient, like apt.
Wait it's also proprietary in addition to being slower, more annoying and much more intrusive than Flatpaks let alone just native packages? That not only makes it heavily obsolete but is even more against the whole point of Linux than Windows' winget (if the open source community repo is used instead of msstore), as snap is hardcoded to use the closed Servers from Canonical. That's just bad on another level honestly.
Snap as a format is not proprietary but Canonical's Snap Store is. And Canonical's Snap Store is basically the only one in existence and (semi?) hard-coded into all the tools.
In any case, on a fresh install I usually throw out all the Snap stuff and go for Flatpak, because for some apps, these two formats tend to be the only options anymore.
Removing snap from Ubuntu, at least, seems to be more impossible with every update as far as I've heard. Apparently it just reinstalls itself if you try to use apt in order to install eg. Firefox and then uses snap for that package. So I'd guess actually disabling snap would mean somehow configuring or editing apt itself or some addon to it. Any way, such a closed design in combination with the tactics Canonical (at least did) use in order to keep snap as a default looks kinda Microsofty to me.
Wann Klage gegen Canonical wegen Monopolstellung?
In Englisch nem Deutschen zu antworten fühlt sich affig an lül
Removing snap from Ubuntu, at least, seems to be more impossible with every update as far as I’ve heard. Apparently it just reinstalls itself if you try to use apt in order to install eg. Firefox and then uses snap for that package. So I’d guess actually disabling snap would mean somehow configuring or editing apt itself or some addon to it.
Basically you need to have a list of packages to avoid in your head. :) And with every passing release there are more. Great!!
Since I've gone back to using Ubuntu I've managed to avoid these traps somehow.
Wann Klage gegen Canonical wegen Monopolstellung?
While their practices suck, they don't exactly have a monopoly. If they're eventually bought out by MS, something could happen. (So far, MS seems happy (and capable) to do its own thing though.)
In Englisch nem Deutschen zu antworten fühlt sich affig an lül
Yeah, but this is a public thread in an English-language community.
Systemd apparently. Every time someone brings it up, the thread devolves into a religious flame war.
I've never got this either. I've been using Linux exclusively for over 4 years, multiple devices, tested dozens of distros, almost all Systemd-based and I havent ever experienced any problems that the anti-systemd folks talk about.
Or at least, they were so rare and minimal that I didn't notice.
Coming from an IT background dealing with 99% Windows machines and Microsoft products, maybe my bar was on the floor, but Linux has been soooo much more stable and dependable than Windows.
Been using Linux since 2004 and systemd has made my life significantly easier. People bickering about systemd are usually ultra nerds without arguments real people would consider important.
I remember in my coding class when the prof claimed the language we were learning didn’t have GOTO, but it also didn’t need it because anything that could be accomplished with GOTO could be accomplished with loops and conditionals.
Now looking back I can’t believe what a tech debt nightmare goto is, and I’m glad I weaned off it.
Startup scripts seem more powerful because they’re code you know will be executed sequentially. For a developer that feels nice.
But a declarative system like systemd is so much more predictable and stable, specifically because it does NOT allow for sequential execution of code.
Once I made that switch I was a fan. It’s so much more predictable and standardized.
Exactly my sentiment. Why would you want something with more moving parts than systemd which is also slower? :D
There are some good alternatives to SysV init.d scripts nowadays which only came to fruition after systemd existed and people noticed it's possible to write something like this.
I used OpenRC and s6 and both of them worked better and were easier to configure than SysV init.
Biomutant.
Jordan Peterson. It just blew me away to discover he’s hated.
Though I have yet to encounter anyone who hates him who can accurately describe anything he’s ever said.
I tried reading his book and stopped after a few chapters because I couldn’t handle it.
VR headsets with an external battery pack and/or other heavy components on a cable to put in the pocket (as is now a feature of the Apple Vision Pro).
The first time I tried any VR headset I immediately thought why on earth do they not put all the heavy lifting electronics out of this device into my pocket. That would be way more comfortable. But for some reason it was never done and when it was rumored that the Apple headset would do that I noticed people apparently hated the idea. Everyone keeps saying modern headsets are well balanced it’s not a problem, but my experience is different and it’s one of the reasons for me why I don’t like to use it often.
My current headset is the PS VR2 which everyone says is so comfortable and balanced. I just find it annoying after a few minutes.