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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 194 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Welcome, new industry heads. That's how it works. China takes a car, picks it apart and builds a cheaper car. That's what they've been doing for decades now.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 94 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's par for the course, but it's hilarious that openai "we have to get copyrighted material for free because fuck you" is pulling that defense now.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 69 points 3 months ago

We got angry when Japan did this in the 60s and 70s. I'm going to paste part of the opening from Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash."

Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it -- talking trade balances here -- once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they 're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here -- once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel -- once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity -- y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else

  • music
  • movies
  • microcode (software)
  • high-speed pizza delivery

The Deliverator used to make software. Still does, sometimes. But if life were a mellow elementary school run by well-meaning education Ph.D.s, the Deliverator ' s report card would say: "Hiro is so bright and creative but needs to work harder on his cooperation skills."

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

I'm kinda reminded of the tale of how the Zilog Z80 processor chip had dozens of little "tricks" built into it. It was being produced in Japan which at the time was famous for their chip production and for copying chip designs. Apparently their little tricks were baffling enough that it delayed the appearance of knock-offs chips by half a year.

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[–] mouserat@discuss.tchncs.de 163 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] leadore@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Look at its widdle toes! 🥹

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Those are clearly fiddle toes, in this case.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

That's lovely.

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[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 141 points 3 months ago
[–] ODuffer@lemmy.world 109 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

Would you hug a face?

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 months ago

Yes, but I don't have Nvidia hardware to run them

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[–] mEEGal@lemmy.world 99 points 3 months ago

There’s substantial evidence that what DeepSeek did here is they distilled the knowledge out of OpenAI’s models [...]

I will explain what this means in a moment, but first: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

LMFAOOO 😂😂

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 87 points 3 months ago

Gonna cry, technofeudalist lord?

1000045471

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't particularly agree that LLMs are nothing more than spicy autocorrect nor is it the end all be all super tool that AI tech bros overhype to death. It's somewhere in the middle with good usefulness and utility like any other tool as long as it's used properly. Like any other tool.

That being said, even if it was just a spicy autocorrect, it's the best damn autocorrect I've seen in my life and won't screw around with my ducking cuss words like the dumb autocorrect systems

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I'm pretty sure the autocorrect ducking with fowl language is because it has those words specifically marked not to come up in autocorrect, because kids do also use phones too and that would be enough to cause enough of a stink that no company wants to deal with it.

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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 69 points 3 months ago

It sounds like they just followed the precedent set by American companies. Maybe don't steal data and your data won't get stolen?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 44 points 3 months ago
[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Does the OpenAI TOS even cover no-take-backsies ?

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 months ago

Finders keepers giveth, finders keepers taketh away

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Stealing for me, not for thee or Li

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good, I hope this is how the AI industry dies.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

How would this cause it to die?

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If something ceases to be profitable, it gets no attention from corporations.

Even something as simple as Deepseek replacing subscription services would tank these corporations who are banking on those fees.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This does the opposite of that. AI was already unprofitable; Deepseek's massive efficiency improvement ought to improve profitability

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes and no. American companies have been following OpenAI's strategy, which is simply scaling up as quickly as possible. From massive data centers swallowing our drinking water for coolant to coal and natural gas power plants to keep it running, it's been all about pouring as much money and resources as possible in order to scale up to improve their models.

What DeepSeek has done is prove that that's the wrong way to go about it, and now suddenly, all these companies that have been a massive money sink without any clear path to profitability already have to completely pivot their strategy. Most will probably die before they can. Investors are already selling off their stock.

So AI will become closer to actually being practical/profitable, but I imagine most of the companies who reach that goal won't be the companies that exist today, and the AI bubble itself will probably collapse from this pivot, if we're lucky.

Since DeepSeek is also open source, we might even see free competitors that can be run locally pop up that can go toe to toe with the likes of ChatGPT, which would be a real stake through the heart for these massive companies.

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[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 months ago

It would kill off American ai industry because it’s a pyramid scheme of bullshit and money laundering

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Is there evidence that DeepSeek is an OpenAI distillate other than OpenAI and Co's protestations?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's literally impossible. I tried to explain it here: https://lemmy.world/comment/14763233

But the short version is OpenAI doesn't even offer access to the data you need for a "distillation," as the term is used in the LLM community.

Of course there's some OpenAI data in the base model, but that's partially because it's splattered all over the internet now.

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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago
[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (14 children)

Wherever you fall on the anti-AI spectrum, I thought after the past 2 decades of piracy we had come to the conclusion that you can't "steal" data, copying != Stealing

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 months ago (7 children)

If anything, this is kind of making people realize the opposite. It isn't stealing when it is corporate (or creator...) but it is TOTALLY stealing when it is individual people... who aren't authors or artists.

The fun part is that "creating" datasets for training steal from everyone equally.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I can’t recall a time when I downloaded an album, pretended I made it, and tried to sell access to it.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"Furious"

Somehow I don't think that word applies to companies

[–] nichtburningturtle 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Tell that to nintendo, whenever someone does something legal.

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hey, companies are people too, as has been proven in a court of law

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll believe it when Texas executes one

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 10 points 3 months ago

*an innocent one

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 14 points 3 months ago

Ironic and hypocritical

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 😂

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 months ago

Based coverage from 404.

[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 11 points 3 months ago

Oh the irony 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Wow, look at the size of the tear this brings to my eye.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So that’s what they did with the data from TikTok

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Man that would be as dumb as using Reddit or 4chan to train models.

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago
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