And yet they never seem to want to move to china or russia.
this post was submitted on 02 Nov 2023
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Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide
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"No, I want to ruin my country!"
No why would they do that
They need a Holiday in Cambodia
“Gotta say, I’ve noticed how many people are dressed in black around here…”
Cambodia is awesome, a holiday there would really be a great idea
Bold of you to assume Lemmygrad isn't already Russian
Nah, lemmygrad is 100 percent American.
Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin's talking points?
Nah, I'm not saying they're all Russian, but they're clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.
I totally understand the reasoning behind thinking it's state actors or certain members being shills--But there's not much to gain for governments to shill in niche, extremist communities. Why shill your loyal followers when they parrot everything already? Instead, it's much more effective to use large, mainstream social media websites, like Twitter, Reddit or Facebook, just check out anything politically trending to see the shills and contrast them with these users.
It is true, these small communities do swallow up state propaganda without much thought, but they aren't shills. Most are just lonely people who hate everything and themselves.
I think it's fairly important to remember that Hexbear/Lemmygrad are basically why Lemmy exists, and largely emigrated after the Reddit Chapo ban, at least as far as I understand things.
They weren't entirely niche communities at first, and now they're the most active communities on Lemmy, which may or may not grow into something bigger, but most importantly they've inherited the damage the used to have.
I mean, have you ever listened to ChapoTrapHouse? They were pretty solidly democratic socialist. Something happened to that community to turn it into Hexbear. It could have been natural, but their messaging is just so consistent it seems unlikely.
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This shit is so embarrassing
I'm having a hard time accepting that lemmygrad and hexbear are practically official Lemmy shit, instead of just these weird parasitic communities that flocked to a more open platform after being banned everywhere else.
Denying? That's outright praise.
All that organ harvesting torture and sexual assault of prisoners and human rights violations... uhm hmhm um ashtually you see it was all just a very successful deradiclisation campaign m'lady
Go to lemmygrad.ml and post about Russia or China. You will read insane ramblings about projections. Somehow the argument is always "look at this bad thing in the west, here is completely misinformed info about your country, look how good Russia/China, skip over genocides you are projecting it is happening in the West, to finish my argument Are You a Nazi?!".
Yougoslavia was created by soviets/russia. His beloved communists. I am super interested in what mind gymnastics he has to excuse that.
He could have gone with Africa or Middle East, much better example of collosal fuck ups of Ze Bad West. But that would require knowledge of history longer than 50 years.
Also crying about Poland. As a guy living in Poland, hearing stories of people that fought in WWII and people that lived in communist Poland, I am so interested in how these first hand accounts are US misinformation.
I was banned from Lemmygrad for statements that were critical of the authority of the USSR, and writings of their savior Karl M.
I was banned from Lemmy.world for anti-zionism. Most of the Lemmy side of the fediverse seems infested with authoritarianism that's as bad as Reddit's corporatism.
My bans from lemmy.ml have all come from literally arguing that there are a solid 150 years worth of academic ideas building on Marx and that taking Marxist orthodoxy as the exclusive socialist dogma in that context is simply ignorant.
I am starting to think that they hate revisionist socialists more than actual capitalists, because it seeks to deny them the thing they really want, which is a justification for violence and totalitarianism.
They're conservatives. Hierarchy is the only way they decide what's real. It's the same tribalist thinking that produced the Lady Hope hoax - saying Darwin recanted on his deathbed, as if that would cancel out the last 150 years of evolutionary biology. They genuinely do not understand science or philosophy, because they don't believe arguments can be evaluated, except in terms of interpersonal trust.
So in their minds - if Marx was wrong, about anything, then the whole business might as well be made-up. It is impossible for someone to simply be wrong. They have to be lesser. They must be undeserving of their station, because their station is the only reason they get to decide what is true.
In this worldview, it is your job to make whatever mouth noises justify that mutable truth. I say "your job" because this is all they think you're doing. This is all they think there is. There is no other force in their moral universe. This is quite possibly the human brain's default behavior, and it is not fragile.
Okay, yes, this was my exact experience as well. I don't recall where I got banned, but I was simply making the point that we should use the best bits of socialism and merge them with more modern systems.
They did NOT like that. It seems so incredibly reasonable, and mild to suggest stuff like this... Like, these people really are the "snowflakes" the right attests them to be.
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I will always advocate the people leave those platforms and go to other instances. I don't know why everybody moved over to Lemmy.world when people left reddit. I assume it must have been heavily promoted over there although I never saw it.
Been on a smaller instance has only upside, it's far less likely to go completely insane and then get itself defederated from other instances, it does not tend to get DDoS attacks as much, and you can still access all the content on those larger instances, assuming you want to.
I think it was the largest, and people just went to the largest group, making it even larger. That just accelerated the issues with that instance. There ideally would have been instance finding tools that prioritized spreading new users out, but oh well.
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Lemmy.world is run by Enlightened Centrists. People who think we should all just get along, and calmly discuss these life-and-death matters, no matter how demonstrably wrong a lie is, or how much bad-faith abuse someone spits.
At this point - any internet community demanding "civility" is a red flag for bad moderation. "Be nice!" means they're not prepared to treat 'stop implying I'm subhuman, asshole' as the justified response to a troll with a rear-mounted boot slot that needs filling. And even then it's a coin-toss. You can spend immense effort restraining and editing responses to complete bullshit, guiding someone by-the-nose through why they're blatantly fucking wrong, while they keep trying to make that personal through chest-beating and snide remarks... and then watch then give up all pretense and spit the worst insults they can imagine over dry criticism of what they choose to say... and see your reports of idiotic directed abuse go absolutely nowhere.
If your rules effectively run interference for bastards, fuck your rules.
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This is a factor in why I really want kbin/mbin to succeed. I also think it has the potential to be the better platform, but only time will tell.
Wouldn't a fork be easier? I have high hopes for mbin but I really can't understand why Lemmy hasn't been forked yet.
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Really? JFC
Does anyone create a social media platform without being an absolute nutjob? Tom from Myspace, maybe?
Don’t quote me on this but I went to school with Tom and, during a dissection, nicked my finger with a scalpel. He quickly lifted my hand and proceeded to suck my finger for the rest of class. It took 3 large men to separate my digit from his mouth and 2 more to fish out my fingertip. I heard they pumped 3 pints of blood from his stomach.
I’ve got no loyalty at all to communism or marxism. But I do have a loyalty to honesty, and I have to object. I don’t see a denial of the Massacre in the screenshotted comment. I see a characterization of it as some kind of US-led attack.
They aren’t saying anything like “that didn’t happen” or “people didn’t die”. Maybe they say it elsewhere, but not here.
Bingo. There's a difference between saying it didn't happen and "it happened but it was good". I would say later is worse. But pretending they are saying something they clearly are not isn't good
Lmao, poland mentioned
Recently had someone argue Palestine isn't genocide because the Arab population in Israel is going up.
Any obsession with birth rates is a red flag for brain worms, as surely as talking about skull shape.
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Lemmy is a poisoned seed. Besides the questionable lead developers, you have the most popular lemmy instances enforcing rules arbitrarily while lying about it and removing entries from the modlog arbitrarily making them all but useless. At least it will be a good exercise in determining how well its federated nature allows it to survive.
Given how often it has happened, I'd say it's the fate of these sort of migrations from other major social networks to be spearhead by lying opportunists and people trying to hide their flaws through abuse of power. Unfortunately, social networks are far removed from the time when the people doing the spearheading where acting as good faith developers exploring what was possible - they'd probably be among the first to get gaslit and DDOSed.
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