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The MCU should have ended a little after Endgame. The MCU Earth is now fundamentally different than current Earth to the point where it is harder to write resonant stories in that Earth.
That the MCU had to reach into the idea of multiverses is a symptom that the plot baggage of the MCU is now a drag on the franchise.
Not really a big reader of the comics, but from my understanding the multiverse isn't really a fringe topic. Seems like it's been a pretty central aspect of the comics for decades.
They made a pretty good comic-accurate show about a big green lady and a few million extremely online teen boys had their penises fall off. RIP.
I also enjoyed the Captain Marvel movie, and even the Marvels was pretty decent compared to the rest of marvel's recent crap. But they have female leads, so I guess they're tainted with original sin.
Most of the female heroes are extremely boring. Not because they're females, but because their writers suck.
Most of the male heroes are boring and poorly written. And yet people are more angry about the female heroes than the male ones. You can't pretend it's about quality at this point.
For real, they haven't done anything interesting with Hulk in 15 years, the 2008/09 (I can't quite remember) movie was average at best, after that it's been a cameo fest because they cannot make new Hulk movies until they get the rights back, his best appearance was maybe in Thor Ragnarok, and yet nobody craps on Hulk.
It’s ok, they’ve learnt their lesson and won’t be tuning in for further projects.
They are extremely boring with little to no real threat and tedious fights where you know who's going to win anyway
Character development? Probably the only actual thing that dies
With the first wave of movies I was really excited and enjoyed them immensely. Now the novelty has long since worn itself out. The cinematic universe plot is convoluted to a point of blandness. The multiple universe angle is stupid in comics and aggravating in cinema. The streaming series (across the board) instead of getting me interested in the movies has instead inoculated me against all of the Disney IP''s.
Not exactly Marvel related, but I'm an adult now. Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?
Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?
They're rare but are out there. I watched I Saw the TV Glow last weekend, really really nice film.
The only hot take for these types of surveys is: i don't hate them.
What ever the subject is doesn't matter. When you ask a group for input on their "hot take" devolves into a forum to shit on whatever the topic may be.
So my hot take is: I enjoy some of the movies while others I do not.
Marvel movies are mostly dogshit. The Marvel multiverse is just an excuse for them to keep churning out dogshit movies indefinitely cause "LOL MULTIPLE UNIVERSES MAN, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, NO NEED TO RETCON"
Yeah, it is kind of a plot hole cheat code, but I'd rather they come up with fun new ideas under that premise, than just keep doing the same thing, or half-assing retcons like soap operas do. (That was actually Steve's evil twin the whole time, and THIS is the real Steve)
The actual hot take is that most of these movies are actually pretty good in the context of their correlation to source materials. As critically acclaimed movies: debatable; but as an adaptation? Unbelievably they tie a really neat rope around a hodge podge of different ideas and oddly make it work.
The truly hot take is that these movies serve there purpose well and do a great job being a vehicle for the story in the comics (sometimes)
It's always been garbage. Not this multiverse or after im3 or whatever. The movies have always been trash.
I feel the same way. I don't mind anybody liking them, but I just don't see the appeal. To me they're so tremendously boring that I can't stand watching them.
The MCU has run out of steam after they got away from the A list heroes. It's not that B- or C- list characters can't do well, it's just that it takes a talented writer/director to do it with a good movie, and Disney/Marvel just isn't capable of getting that consistently on their own, they're too safe & corporate. They're just trying to recreate what made the original MCU run successful, but we've already seen that. I don't know that there's necessarily "superhero fatigue", though trends in movies & pop culture come and go, that's inevitable, but for me it's more been "bad writing fatigue", I'm just sick of their lazy ass shit writing, it's insulting and I'm tired of being treated like that by the MCU.
The MCU did great with Guardians of the Galaxy, which were C tier at best.
I'm not sure how much credit Disney should get for that compared to James Gunn, considering they fired him and he was able to turn Suicide Squad into a hit as a result.
When the MCU started I don’t think people considered Iron Man, Captain America, Thor as A list. They were just the properties they weren’t able to sell off yet. Doing these movies was a big gamble. They needed to succeed so they put their best effort into them and it paid off.
They kinda ruined it with the multiverse. Everything feels without consequence. Death is meaningless and there are no stakes now
I enjoyed the MCU up until Age of Ultron. The movies are almost all from the same mold, just with different names and look and that was true even before the first Avengers film. But it was new back then. The newness has worn off and it's way past time the MCU evolves, or retires.
The exception are the Guardians of the Galaxy series. They are better made films that actually made me feel invested in the characters. The beginning of Guardians 3 is probably the best scene in the entire MCU.
Age of Ultron is where I started to check out too.
The last MCU movie I watched was Black Panther (the first). I enjoyed it well enough compared to the recent fair that I decided to go out on a high note.
Really? That awful CGI final act from black panther is so distractingly bad
I'm sure this is a hot take with how common I see the shit talking about multiverse being lazy.
The multiverse idea is dope.
It's only the way they have been using it that sucks.
Into the Spider-Verse did it right. The comics have done it right. Cartoon series from the 80's and 90's did it right. The current MCU era is using it wrong.
Superhero movies are big budget police procedurals where the goal of the heroes is always to protect the status quo.
They pushed the stakes so high that when the fights are just everyone punching and kicking each other it's stupid and silly.
It always makes me think of the reenactment of the battle of Pearl Harbor.
Overall? Meh.
I don't hate it, but they're not great either.
I think the magic is gone - now the shows and movie lack the flair and excitement of the previous era. Now it feels like the we don’t need x, we have x at home meme.
Not very engaging and hard to care about the characters. They put so many characters and fight scenes that it's hard to care about a any of the even if they technically killed half of them.
The writing for Endgame was lazy crap to just let them wrap things up with an epic battle. The second they introduced time travel and said, "okay, here are our specific rules we need to follow," I just checked out. It was a lazy deus ex machina so they could just retcon all of the story lines and have the battle scenes. The battle was entertaining, but didn't feel earned. If they done something with everyone being trapped in the soul-stone or in a parallel universe it would have been so much more interesting. Like if you had both universes working together to rejoin then an epic battle, but no, let's just time travel and bring everyone back, but also let Tony keep his kid. It was just lazy.
Is there even a hot take you can have on Marvel besides "it's all very good" anymore? What you see is what you get, and I think we're all nauseous of the amount of content being shoved in our faces.
Most of these hot take threads do not in fact have many hot takes.
It should end.
Wait ten years, form some sort of idea and come back to it.
That it's shit
Disney did what Disney does and killed it. They always take these big IPs and then stack so much bureaucracy around them that nothing ever gets done without getting approved by a committee that is approved by another committee which kills the artists original intent and messaging. They know that they can’t get experienced and talented artists to create their content anymore because they aren’t malleable enough so they either have to shove 10’s of millions down their throat or hire some wanker off the street. Then the wanker they hire off the street is always like “I don’t read the comics, lul XD!” And they right some shitty girlboss Mary Sue movie that no one likes then call all the fans racist, sexist, homophobes. Who was Agatha all along for? Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?
Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?
Who do you think writes half the stuff on AO3? This audience actually exists, and is fairly sizeable.
If it's not for you, that's fine. But a Marvel universe intended only for teenage boy nerds is pretty dull and repetitive; the MCU didn't get that big by aiming solely for them.
And yeah, when you start gatekeeping, saying "those people don't exist" and "you don't belong here", maybe it is time to take a look at your prejudices.
Reading this I feel lucky that I managed to avoid most of it
Marvel was cool until i was around 12 or 13.
Later it was a little eeek.
Nowadays it's just plain sh*t.
i think i have seen multiple of them, some even in theater, but the only one i remember is the first iron man one.
so my hot take is that they're... not very interesting.
Meh. We have the Trump cinematic universe now, and it has scarier villains.
They have good movies… for kids.
They're consistent.
Which is not great when it comes to making compelling art (IMO), but it makes for a predictable experience with a known value which appeals to many people.
Not really my thing, but I'm glad people like it. Everything doesn't have to be for me.
