Newsweek making it sound like Snowden is a James Bond villain issuing pronouncements from his skull-shaped island lair.
this post was submitted on 16 Jun 2024
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How naive would you have to be to trust them anyway?
Posts like these really bring out the Nextdoor app type lemmy people. Everything's a conspiracy.
Point is it doesn't matter who they add to OpenAI, OpenAI is already a problem. There is no conspiracy, you missed the boat. Your data is already being scraped, traded and sold to the Nth degree by corporations, and the government just goes ahead and buys it instead of forming yet another agency to scrape it all themselves (yay, privatization?). OpenAI is just the next level of the same. Doesn't matter who is on the board, the damage has already been done. So Snowden is way behind the times and frankly his commentary is irrelevant - or at least nothing that the news hasn't been complaining about with the rampant theft of IP by AI makers for the last couple of years or more.
Snowden just said that they had gone "mask-off" - so I think it was just aimed at those who still refuses to believe it.
exactly, anyone trusting AI companies in general beforehand and being swayed by this one statement from Snowden, doesn’t understand the technology or environment enough to be effectively skeptical in the first place.
Thing is that Snowden isn't really a figure I think most people would listen to. I think he's cut off from any valuable information that would offer him anything groundbreaking to reveal and I think he's probably somewhat isolated in his current situation.
Edit: really? You downvoters just Snowden fans? Care to actually offer up a reason you think my comment isn’t right? Snowden is hiding out in a foreign country that has to keep him at arm’s length, trot him out when he’s useful, but not offer him access to anything actually important.
So Snowden is way behind the times and frankly his commentary is irrelevant
This is some heavy Dunning-Kruger.
Really.
When was he relevant, again?
Depends. What is your working definition of "Relevant"?
This actually makes me think OpenAI is a straight up scam; this is the Elizabeth Holmes strategy.
"do not ever trust [insert large corporation]"
FTFY
I'd honestly be more worried about the NSA abusing OpenAI and not the inherent data collection which they already have access to anyway.
What if they target someone and give them a fake recipe for potato salad which turns out to be lethal.
Okay that's a dumb example, but do you get what I mean? They can arbitrarily send, insert, or delete data to a specific target if they want to. Would not be surprised if they already made their own in house tool for this like BeEF XSS to handle a bunch of targets at once.
I know the easy stupid solution to this is not to trust AI output in the first place, but people are lazy and dumb too.
This kind of rhetoric is for conservatives / Trump supporters / conspiracy theorists.
The way he implies there's an agenda behind the hire without actually articulating it, the way he leads you on and then assumes you'll take the implication for granted, an unearned "this is a very bad thing!", capped with a cryptic "You've been warned!"
I'm not sure what your credentials are in the surveillance "business" but I bet he's seen, and experienced, even contributed to, sadly, a lot more than a random stranger on the Internet.
I don't like that he hints as scenario rather than being clear about it. I don't like that a lot of his posts are political and seeding doubts about institutions... yet, again, based on his CV, he's seen a lot more than anybody I know and thus his perspective, even his warnings, do matter.
I'll still draw my own conclusions, and keep learning about the topic, both the technology and who funds it, but yes I'll be more wary since his tweet.
Strong down vote ratio...
Can't tell if "AI" bros or the spooks are butthurt today.
There are a significant number of people who also really hate Snowden for various reasons (he's a traitor, he ran to Russia, etc.) and don't care whether or not he's making a good point.
He didn’t really choose Russia, it was the only country that would protect him from rendition.
Not even that. He was headed to Cuba, the US government forced him to be in Russia.
"NSA leaker Edward Snowden got stuck at a Moscow airport after Cuba, feeling pressure from Washington, warned that it would not allow an Aeroflot flight from Russia to land in Havana if he were aboard"
And sadly Cuba is all too aware of how petty the USA can be.
I'm not justifying their reasons, I'm just explaining that's what some of them say.
Oh I know that Mr Squid. I was just adding some context. :)
Maybe at first it was a lack of options, but he's absolutely become a Russian asset since then. Doesn't mean he's wrong about OpenAI, but still.
He's a Russian PR win, but I haven't seen him be especially pro-Putin or anything.
He's not overtly pro-putin, but he did accept Russian citizenship and was denying the possibility of Ukraine being invaded until like literally the day before the invasion started, which was long after it was obvious Russia was planning to invade.
He accepted Russian citizenship for his own safety so he could never be extradited to the U.S. and yeah, I'm not shocked he didn't do something that would come with a big risk in Russia.
So neither of those really work as accusations.
He accepted Russian citizenship for his own safety so he could never be extradited to the U.S
He got Russian citizenship less than 2 years ago. Why was extradition suddenly a concern when it wasn't for the previous near decade he had lived there without citizenship?
yeah, I'm not shocked he didn't do something that would come with a big risk in Russia.
That's the thing, he didn't need to do anything. He could've just not said anything at all, but instead he was outright claiming the idea of Russia invading Ukraine was nothing but US propaganda up until like literally a day(iirc) before the invasion actually started.
You could argue he's only acting as a Russian asset for his own safety, but he's still acting as a Russian asset.
It's as if the dude is protecting his life or something, maybe if the US didn't want to basically kill him for exposing PRISM to the world.
I always find it hilarious for the reasons people hate snowden, like I'm sure it's pretty well known by know that he didn't choose Russia, the US forced him to become stuck there when they voided his passport, also idk how they consider revealing illegal crimes against the people as being a trader
This guy worked at the NSA for 15 months total over a decade ago. He's been an internet warrior in Russia since then. I'm not sure Snowden's got the credentials to make him a good source of info anymore.
Maybe, but he's not wrong that appointing a former NSA director to the board of OpenAI sounds really bad.
Dude's an American hero!
Maybe you don't have the credentials to make an accurate assessment of his credentials
I didn't trust Open AI before. But the the Kremlin signalling disapproval of it makes me slightly less distrustful.
Sure they still suck, but at least they're not on Putin's side.
This is the correct answer whenever this Russian intelligence asset opens his mouth.