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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 168 points 6 days ago (18 children)

I fucking HATE these clickbait headlines. Read the dang article and look at the quotes:

"I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities," he said during the broadcast. (emphasis added)

RFK is a total whackjob, but it's pretty clear he's talking about some kind of voluntary "farm therapy" (which probably isn't demonstrably effective anyway) and not a concentration camp.

PLEASE we got enough bombastic language and clickbait over the Biden years. There are PLENTY of things wrong with the actual quote above without taking us into clickbait territory.

Let's criticize him on the grounds of being scientific but proposing very un-scientific actions. Let's criticize him for proposing ineffective solutions, but please, focus on his ACTUAL statement instead of trying to fluff it into some goddamn headline.

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Although these wellness farms might seem like a worthwhile idea on paper, there are plenty of ways these kinds of systems could be rife with abuse. It's also unclear how different they would really be from the rehabilitation facilities that already exist across the country, and RFK's claims that most of the issues come down to not eating organic food also don't seem to be based on hard science.

https://www.distractify.com/p/rfk-wellness-farms

Means well but it sounds here like they'll be volunteering at a farm for 3-4 uears, wasting their time

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah... "volunteering."

And for "as much time as they need."

Doesn't seem ominous at all from a guy with a brainworm in a government that's being jizzed on by the whole for-profit-prison industry. I'm sure they'll have no interest in these "wellness farms".

Arbeit macht frei.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Voluntary, as in NYPD saying you’ll be arrested if you don’t voluntarily go into their overcrowded bedbug homeless shelter?

This is not as benign as you think. RFK already thinks vaccines annd prescribed meds are child abuse.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Time to add futurism.com to my block list. What a useless rag.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 15 points 6 days ago

100% They are part of the death of journalism. Inaccurate, hyped headlines that disagree with the body of the article. Designed to get "engagement" and not to inform. Fuck them.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

can we report this sort of thing here? downvoting has never worked.

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[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (16 children)

You clearly have not read the history of Nazi era labor camps. They had very nice sounding propaganda for Germans to believe too.

Don't kid yourself. They mean forced labor camps.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 14 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Stop fucking sane washing him. "If they want to" is a dubious statement coming from anyone in this authoritarian administration.

The fact that he brings up "reparenting", it seems fairly obvious that this is going to be done by authority of the state. He's talking about taking people's kids away from them if they medicate their children as recommended by their doctors.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 18 points 6 days ago

Stop fucking sane washing him

You'll notice I called him a "total whackjob". I do not say he is sane. However, I wish to criticize what he ACTUALLY said instead of some bombastic caricature of his plan. In no way do I support or endorse RFK, but let's be accurate with our criticism.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Sure, totally voluntary. With barbed wire, guards, prison gangs, and court orders. Just like the reform schools for teenagers.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

"Voluntary".... In the same way that gay conversion therapy is voluntary, or the same way those kid murdering behavioral farms are voluntary.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Who decides if they need it ?

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Assuming this is government funded, I'd be more than happy to spend a couple of years at such a place. I need to take a break from reality and not worry about bills for a bit.

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[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 52 points 6 days ago

So they're just already saying the "camps" part out loud, eh? I guess when you have Hitler's playbook, you can move faster than Hitler did.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 40 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Is he not aware that the fascist pumpkin he will be working for pops those like breath mints?? Please do send that rapist con man to a labor camp.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago

Yes I am sure not being hypocrites is high on their list of concerns

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This is part of some rural grift facilities which probably started with "trouble teens". In recent years I've seen reports of these "farms" for "distressed" women. It's usually a place with Ranch in the name. Example: https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2021/11/18/the-christian-maternity-ranch-in-texas-is-a-disaster-in-the-making/

Permaculture farms, for example, are already well known for relying on abusive work conditions. See Joel Salatin:

https://medium.com/permaculture-3-0/fall-of-a-hero-f9ac80a08c0c

https://www.motherjones.com/food/2020/11/joel-salatin-chris-newman-farming-rotational-grazing-agriculture/

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[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I already started weaning myself off my depression meds. Went cold turkey once, and that was a nightmare. They're planning to kill the VA, so fuck our service. I'm never getting cut off again. I'll switch to natural alternatives, thank you.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Probably still easy to get from Mexico. Your mental health is important and shits about to get a whole lot more depressing

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[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

He won’t have to look vet far. In the last Trump administration, Provigil was handed out like breath mints.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-white-house-drugs-speed-xanax-1234979503/

[–] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 19 points 6 days ago

what the hell. staying in Canada.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If he comes for my antidepressants he can haul me off but he can't make me cooperate.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Fuck that.

I strongly dislike how the argument hinges on the very movable goalpost of "illegal" drugs. It has this awful moralizing "protect the kids while we destroy privacy", vibe to it.

At first I though this would require an end-run on HIPAA, but all they really need to do is re-schedule a bunch of therapeutic drugs. Or ignore the FDA entirely and just enforce a ban by edict (somehow) through a different agency. I don't think we've ever seen federal agencies openly disagree like that before, but I think it's possible. Also: big pharma may have something to say about all this.

Like a lot of the nonsense coming from this cabinet, it'll test the crap out of state's rights.

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[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Just sounds like torture camps people voluntarily go to. Why would they remain voluntary? These people think public facilities that give out small doses to prevent people from dying from withdrawal and needle dispenseries to prevent STIs are immoral, so we all know it's torture. This is obvious whether you read the article or not for all of the nuance trolls.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

BY THEIR OWN CHOICE

"if they want to"

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think this is how they plan on making up for immigrant labor.

But lol if you want systemic food shortages this is a great way to go. Farm labor isn’t easy, it can’t be carried out by someone who is addicted enough to the point that they need this farm to get better. Farm labor needs to be reliant and self-directed, and drug addicts are not reliable and can barely direct their lives.

People on depression or adhd meds are not necessarily drug addicts. I can’t believe we have such incompetent people in charge now.

[–] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The plan to make up for immigrant labor is prison labor. Tank the economy, further criminalize homelessness. Wouldn't be shocked if debters prisons make a big comeback.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Seems the country is being run by lunatics, not sure how America is going to survive this. There’s no such thing as a planned and controlled economic collapse, wonder what happens if another country pounces on America while it’s trying to recover. All of this seems like a bad idea for national security too. What a mess.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

you have to ask yourself what is the actual goal of the incoming administration.

once you understand that, everything else will make sense.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

When it comes to the brainworm guy - if he really plans on banning vaccines - is he trying to kill off all the old people? Is he trying to kill off all the children?

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

This whole post is spam.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

What the actual fuck.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I don't think they'll be much help without the Adderall.

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