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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

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Killings by law enforcement in Canada

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Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 121 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Interesting.

Name of the victims but no names of the police officers who shot a fucking baby.

Well, gonna expect the highest form of police punishment then: A video from the chief saying that they will do better. 😒

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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Independence Police Chief Adam Dustman said Friday the officer who opened fire followed training because Pike had a knife.

And therein lies the problem. The training for the officer was to shoot anyone with a knife.

[–] dovahking@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Chefs: "I'm in danger."

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If only that baby had a gun, it would have been safe from that lone bad apple.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

I know you're being Sarcastic but that's LITERALLY the ONLY way this Could have been Prevented!

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[–] microphone900@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pike allegedly reached for an object on the nightstand while still holding Destinii, when an officer shot the baby in the head and grazed Pike’s neck with the first shot

Greenfield said Pike didn’t have a knife in her hand in the closet, but thinks she may have reached for a knife when the first shot was fired. Pike allegedly attempted to get off the bed. Then a second shot was fired at her, Greenfield said.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

A shot was fired at her, huh? The shot just jumped right out of that gun?

Edit: shit -> shot, I guess autocorrect knows me too well

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"FREE HAT! HE SHOT THAT BABY IN SELF DEFENSE!"

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Geoblocked in the EU. But i would bet on the skin color of these victims any day. Empathy just switches off for some people and then psychopath mode flips on.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago

Here's the text:

Authorities have released the identity of a woman and her infant who were killed last week during an incident that led up to a shooting involving Independence, Missouri police.

Blue Springs Police Department Capt. Kyle Flowers confirmed Maria Pike, 34, and Destinii Hope, 2 months, were both killed in the incident at Oval Spring Apartments.

Flowers is heading up the eastern Jackson County Police Incident Investigation Team (PIIT), which is investigating the incident that involved multiple Independence police officers.

Flowers also provided an update on the investigation Tuesday, saying the PIIT has now reviewed the footage from body-worn cameras that captured the incident, and investigators will be interviewing people involved in the incident again Tuesday.

The goal, currently, is to turn over information on the investigation to the Jackson County Prosecutor's Office next week. However, there is no specific deadline for the case.

Independence Police Chief Adam Dustman said Friday the officer who opened fire followed training because Pike had a knife.

Several people have said they saw an Independence police officer running with the injured Destinii in his arms to his police cruiser to take her to the hospital because he didn’t want to wait for an ambulance.

Assistant Property Manager Gavin Delaney helped the two police officers get inside the apartment.

After he was told to leave the apartment, Delaney heard gunshots and then saw the officer with the baby.

He’s already spoken to a counselor.

"It's obviously very tragic and traumatic and everybody has their different ways of processing. But, you know, my intention is not to make it seem like I'm the only person that was involved in this. I want to be able to push the resources to the family or to the people who really need them," Delaney said.

To that end, Property Manager Carrie Lufkin reached out to nearby Comprehensive Mental Health Services to provide free counseling at the Oval Spring clubhouse Monday and Tuesday.

"It was a horrific, tragic event that ended awful. And I want to do everything that I can do to help our community move forward," Lufkin said.

"Our staff are available to check in with everyone, see how they're doing, help, talk them through whatever they experienced, whatever they're feeling now," said Julie Pratt, Kansas City Region president, Comprehensive Mental Health Services. "I know we try to talk to people about trying to keep a normal routine.

Keep your daily day-to-day routine as you normally would. Pay attention to your sleeping patterns, your eating patterns. But just trying to be available for the community here in this apartment complex," she said.

Destinii’s grandparents, Brian and Talisa Coombs, said Jackson County Prosecutor Jean Peters Baker called them and told them she’d pay for their counseling if they want it.

They also said Baker told them her office is conducting its own investigation.

Destinii's aunt, Felisha Holder, has put together a GoFundMe page with a goal of $7,000 for the infant’s funeral.

There are also plans for a candlelight vigil outside the apartment building where the incident took place, scheduled for Friday at 7 p.m.

A purple and white balloon release will be held as part of the vigil.

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