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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 121 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Interesting.

Name of the victims but no names of the police officers who shot a fucking baby.

Well, gonna expect the highest form of police punishment then: A video from the chief saying that they will do better. 😒

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 42 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I'm only surprised the cops aren't pushing their usual line:

Police Spokesman: The suspect in this police involved shooting was no angel. Confidential informants have talked about how often her mother was up at night, imagining what trouble her little baby might be in this time. How many times she cleaned up her messes, only to find her in the same trouble all over again. The absolute filth the suspect covered herself with under that diaper day after day ...

Reporter: But didn't an officer shoot and kill the mother also?

Police Spokesman: I can't comment on an ongoing investigation

/s

In all seriousness, this isn't a tragedy, it's a travesty. It's a predictable and recurring outcome our society has been engineered to accept because it's easier and cheaper than changing a system that benefits those already wealthy and in power. I use this gallows humor to cope with it, with the casual brutality and racism that caused it. To live with what none of us should be able to live with. Fuck this shit.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Respectfully, fuck that. This was no ‘tragedy’ it was straight up murder. Murder of an infant child.

The bullets didn’t just happen to end up striking the child or the mother. Call them what they are, murderers

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

I mean a predictable, recurring outcome engineered by a flaw in a system of power is the classical definition of a tragedy

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"And the baby was being kind of a dick," they later told reporters.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Don't forget the cop being shuffled to a job in a different jurisdiction.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 77 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I mean the officer was clearly scared for his life. I know to you and me that seems absurd, but police officers are hand-picked and trained to be the biggest cowards imaginable. Several people are killed by babies (with guns) each year in the US and that makes them logically scarier than half the shit police officers are scared of.

I can't believe he even entered a home that had a known baby in it, it's almost as scary as entering a school with an active shooter!

ACAB

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

When I went through MEPS, they make you piss in a cup and get a blood draw during the whole duck walk day. One guy started crying and vomited when the medic went to put a blood draw needle in.

I bet you’ll never guess which guys in that group have Silver Stars and which one has a highway patrol cruiser with multiple complaints of excessive force.

E) ACAB

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm watching Peaky Blinders, and in one scene a lady pushes a carriage in between two rival gangs. Both back down rather than potentially killing a woman and child.

Nice to see police practice less restraint than warring mobsters.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Even the Crips and Bloods respect momma on Sunday.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 42 points 6 days ago

A sad indictment on society.

Criminals start so young these days...

[–] microphone900@lemmy.ml 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Pike allegedly reached for an object on the nightstand while still holding Destinii, when an officer shot the baby in the head and grazed Pike’s neck with the first shot

Greenfield said Pike didn’t have a knife in her hand in the closet, but thinks she may have reached for a knife when the first shot was fired. Pike allegedly attempted to get off the bed. Then a second shot was fired at her, Greenfield said.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

A shot was fired at her, huh? The shot just jumped right out of that gun?

Edit: shit -> shot, I guess autocorrect knows me too well

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Geoblocked in the EU. But i would bet on the skin color of these victims any day. Empathy just switches off for some people and then psychopath mode flips on.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 18 points 6 days ago

Here's the text:

Authorities have released the identity of a woman and her infant who were killed last week during an incident that led up to a shooting involving Independence, Missouri police.

Blue Springs Police Department Capt. Kyle Flowers confirmed Maria Pike, 34, and Destinii Hope, 2 months, were both killed in the incident at Oval Spring Apartments.

Flowers is heading up the eastern Jackson County Police Incident Investigation Team (PIIT), which is investigating the incident that involved multiple Independence police officers.

Flowers also provided an update on the investigation Tuesday, saying the PIIT has now reviewed the footage from body-worn cameras that captured the incident, and investigators will be interviewing people involved in the incident again Tuesday.

The goal, currently, is to turn over information on the investigation to the Jackson County Prosecutor's Office next week. However, there is no specific deadline for the case.

Independence Police Chief Adam Dustman said Friday the officer who opened fire followed training because Pike had a knife.

Several people have said they saw an Independence police officer running with the injured Destinii in his arms to his police cruiser to take her to the hospital because he didn’t want to wait for an ambulance.

Assistant Property Manager Gavin Delaney helped the two police officers get inside the apartment.

After he was told to leave the apartment, Delaney heard gunshots and then saw the officer with the baby.

He’s already spoken to a counselor.

"It's obviously very tragic and traumatic and everybody has their different ways of processing. But, you know, my intention is not to make it seem like I'm the only person that was involved in this. I want to be able to push the resources to the family or to the people who really need them," Delaney said.

To that end, Property Manager Carrie Lufkin reached out to nearby Comprehensive Mental Health Services to provide free counseling at the Oval Spring clubhouse Monday and Tuesday.

"It was a horrific, tragic event that ended awful. And I want to do everything that I can do to help our community move forward," Lufkin said.

"Our staff are available to check in with everyone, see how they're doing, help, talk them through whatever they experienced, whatever they're feeling now," said Julie Pratt, Kansas City Region president, Comprehensive Mental Health Services. "I know we try to talk to people about trying to keep a normal routine.

Keep your daily day-to-day routine as you normally would. Pay attention to your sleeping patterns, your eating patterns. But just trying to be available for the community here in this apartment complex," she said.

Destinii’s grandparents, Brian and Talisa Coombs, said Jackson County Prosecutor Jean Peters Baker called them and told them she’d pay for their counseling if they want it.

They also said Baker told them her office is conducting its own investigation.

Destinii's aunt, Felisha Holder, has put together a GoFundMe page with a goal of $7,000 for the infant’s funeral.

There are also plans for a candlelight vigil outside the apartment building where the incident took place, scheduled for Friday at 7 p.m.

A purple and white balloon release will be held as part of the vigil.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So the police don't have tasers or pepper spray in their belt thing? They always opt for the guns?

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 6 days ago

It is the legal right to kill anyone they feel "scared" of...

[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

They do, but they train constantly on using their firearm, and rarely on the other two.

Teach monkey every day how use gun, monkey use gun every day.

Training is a big problem. It's just one of the problems, but it's an important one.

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