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[–] dch82@lemmy.zip 59 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Meanwhile...

looks at old Thinkpad and raspi

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 33 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I have been an IT professional since 1995. Never have I ever had a personal PC that wasn't either a refurbished laptop or some sort of Frankenstein abomination that I put together from whatever was on sale and upcycled parts.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I have been an IT professional since 1995. Never have I ever had a personal PC that wasn’t either a refurbished laptop or some sort of Frankenstein abomination that I pit together from whatever was on sale and upcycled parts.

I've been in the game for about the same amount of time. I stopped doing that about 15 years ago when I saw that the electricity I was paying on older gear was equaling or exceeding the cost of buying newer, faster, and lower power consumption hardware.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Power costs is a poor tax in the same way skipping the dentist and getting a root canal later is.

Also in the process of power efficiency-izing my lab. It just wasn't a feasible option before, I didn't have the means. I just paid interest via electricity.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Do we need to update Sam Vimes ‘Boots’ Theory of Socio-Economic Unfairness to Sam Vimes **‘Compute’ ** Theory of Socio-Economic Unfairness?

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 13 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I swear it folk have the shittest hardware and jankiest setups and create more problems for themselves than any user ever could.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

It’s why we’re able to fix all the things. We dogfood shit setups, unsupported configurations, and weird edge cases so you don’t have to.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

I don't even restart when installing new software that needs it, I just reload whatever service or dependent software on the fly 😎

[–] dch82@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago

It is impossible to pull any enthusiast away from their 7-row Thinkpad

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The secret is to give yourself as Elitez Hacker objectives things like "least maintenance time required" or "maximum computing power lowest energy consumption" (or it's companion "silent yet powerful").

Maybe "I'm fed up with the constant need for tweaking and the jet-plane-like quality of my heater-that-does-computing-on-the-side" is the real mid-life crisis of techies.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I try do everything with 2nd hand stuff as cheap as possible. This causes me and unbelievable amount of trouble because I have to try get all this ancient shit to work in a spaghetti network. half the time I don't even know what I'm doing I'm just happy to be there.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah, I've been there - it's how I learned to upgrade and eventually assemble my own PCs: I couldn't just buy a new one every time it started to run slow with newer games so I learned which parts gave the better bang for the bug (back in those days it was often memory) and would upgrade them and eventually hit another bottleneck and upgrade that part and so on, and once in a while I did need to to a big upgrade (i.e. the motherboard, which usually meant also new CPU and new memory).

I was also pretty lost - at least to begin with - back then, but, you know, doing is learning.

Anyways, I still keep the "no waste" habits from back then (for example, recently I upgraded my CPU with one which the benchmarks say is twice as powerful, only my CPU is from 2018 and I didn't want to upgrade the motherboard so the replacement had to be a CPU for the same socket type, so something also from that time. Ended up getting a server class CPU for it, which back then was over €200 but now, 2nd hand, cost me just €17).

Over time have learned to prioritize other things also and learned that sometimes spending a bit more upfront saves a lot more over time (for example, if I aim for stuff that produces less heat (i.e. that use less power to do its work, which in todays technical lingo is "lower TDP") and I might spend a bit more but save it all and then some in lower electricity costs over time.

Point being that with a bit of reading and looking around you can learn what you need to better chose what you get, even if 2nd hand, in such a way that the results are less of a hassle and sometimes even end up saving more money (such as how parts that use a lot of power even 2nd hand can, in year or two, add up to something more expensive than newer parts which consume less because the 2nd hand ones eat so much more power).

Also as one gets more financially able to afford it, it's normal to trade personal time savings for money, in the sense that I don't really need to have a fragile setup held together with chewing gum and string which is constantly giving me problems and I have to waste tons of time on it just to keep it going, when at least for some things I can get a ton of extra convenience and save a lot of my time by spending a little bit more money. There is a monetary value for one not to have to worry about something breaking all the time and having to constantly tweak and maintain it, you just have to find how much is it worth it for you (I can tell you peace of mind and no-hassle It's worth a lot more for me nowadays than back when I was a teen).

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

You can get old servers on eBay for surprisingly little money, like this PowerEdge T410 for $200. Add some drives, install TrueNAS SCALE and you've got a good home server platform.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Also a space heater for the winter and some white noise so you can sleep better!

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Isn't that a bit like buying an old truck instead of a year old Miata?

Afaik those CPUs use so much juice when idling ... sure, you dont get all them lanes or ECC, but a PC at the same price with a few year old CPU outclasses that CPU by a lot & at a fraction of the running cost (also quietly).

Just something to keep in mind as an alternative, especially when you don't intend to fill all the pcie bussy (several users with several intensive tasks that benefit from wider bus to RAM & PCI even with a slow CPU).
Ok, and you miss out on some fancy admin stuff, but ... it's just for home use ...

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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I have a ThinkServer with a similar Xeon, running proxmox -> Debian, so I was looking like "huh, interesting" until I saw the internals.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck all that. Damn it Dell, quit your weird bullshit. It's just a motherboard, cpu, cooler, and ram. Slap in intake and exhaust fans. Figure it the fuck out.

E: and it better have a goddamn standard psu, too. Fuck yourself, Dell. I've seen your shit.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

The one saving grace is that their one-off custom damn shit always feels well designed, and they move a lotta units (which helps with repairs when everything is GD custom). Dunno if that's changed in recent years.

With that said I avoid them for personal use usually for the same reason, why have a desktop if you don't get the benefit of parts compatibility?!

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[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is it really a midlife crisis when you're just buying the toys you ways wanted because you can finally afford it?

I built a ridiculous computer with RGB everything a few months back... It's dumb as hell but I always wanted one and at this point why not?

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sorta. But I think the problematic part of a midlife crisis is the irresponsible reckless behavior (say unaccounted for big expenses) that affect the people around you. If you're not doing that then pop off, have fun, life is short!!

[–] tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 6 days ago

I hate this meme and yes absolutely

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I recently purchased a blade enclosure.

I might be in this meme.

[–] bravesentry 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And how many of those could you buy for the money one of these cars costs? You might be in this meme, and this meme may compare things that fulfil the same purpose (crisis-wise) but that price difference is one not to be dismissed.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The image I chose for this meme was from a store listing where this was going for 100k

Lots of server/computer hardware can get really up there in price. Just a single Nvidia H100 (The gold standard GPU for AI training) is currently going for ~60k

[–] bravesentry 1 points 2 days ago

Wow. I did not expect that. Nor people to buy that stuff for private use.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

That's not mid-life, that's entire-life.

[–] superkret 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's not a midlife crisis!
I actually desperately need this, my current server's just not specced right for the 2 dozen VM's I still want to add.

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[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago

The more you're willing to do yourself, the cheaper the car gets.

It's basically a hobby meant for sysadmins and they don't even realize it!

[–] needanke 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Mid-life crisis? I'm in my mid-20s!

[–] Dhar@lemmy.ca 33 points 6 days ago

Who's gonna tell him?

[–] draughtcyclist@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Why not both? My homelab supports car related activities.

Probably why I don't have the Porsche though.

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[–] denisde4ev@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

makes same sound

Gento fans go brrrrr

[–] Rookeh@startrek.website 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Opportunity cost

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I have 4 DL360s with 96GB RAM each to run a K8s cluster with a handful of containers

[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

I don’t know who needs to hear this, but your internal use only web-app for syncing your garage door with your media sever don’t need all that

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

YOU DONT KNOW ME

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I have 4 DL360s with 96GB RAM each to run a K8s cluster with a handful of containers

If someone is paying you to host those and covering your costs, go wild! However, as a hobby you may be spending $925/year or more for electricity to run those in the Midwest. $1,387 if you're living in Boston, $1,850 if you're living in California.

In one year you may have been able to buy more new power efficient hardware from just what you're spending on juice.

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[–] TaintPuncher@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

I watched my father go this way and I shan’t let it happen to me! I’ve bought a motorcycle like a normal fat, middle-aged man.

[–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.kya.moe 1 points 4 days ago

I broke my laptop's screen. It has been serving as my homeserver for the past 10 years.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Me who finds really cheap eBay hardware:

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

Me who digs stuff out of e-waste bins in office building parking garages.

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Hmm which depreciates faster?

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Some of these cases are so expensive. I am wanting a Super Micro CSE-836 style case to upgrade my NAS and I have an eBay alert I set a few years ago when I couldn't quite justify spending the money. Turns out I should have because even used the prices are going up and up.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago

Been a few years since I looked, but HP's DL line used to be reasonably affordable.

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