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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

Well, unless they cave because they are getting death threats from magaferbrainz and threats to their career from the likes of Tommy GROOMERville.

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Russian finally won the cold war

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I just can't get over how easy and cheap it was.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago

Probably could have bought one less nuke at the onset, put the money in a bank for 70 years and been able to pay for everything with that money and still have some ruble left over to destabilize Europe with.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Not the intelligence community 😢

Tulsi Gabbard is a shitty person and an opportunist but if she actually undermined the effectiveness of the intelligence community (which remains to be seen), it'd be a good thing. Like, oh no, what if they get mismanaged to the point where they can't infiltrate leftist groups or coup governments? What if they don't assassinate Assad and create a power vacuum for a group like ISIS to take over? The horror!

People have such bizarre, incomprehensible politics. "Trump is a fascist, but it's super important that we make sure he has a highly effective spy network." What? It boggles my mind that even in "normal" times, people care about the effectiveness of organizations that are illegally spying on all of us and which have brought chaos and war to every corner of the globe.

Anarcho-CIAism, not even once.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'd hate to burst your bubble, but they're only going to be less effective against right-wing organizations. If anything left-wing groups have more to fear, nor less.

I know, anything western is bad in your opinion, but they are trying to strengthen right-wing authoritarianism. Whatever you claim to believe in is going to suffer from it, though I don't want to accuse you of being honest with your claims.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

You're trying to pick a fight with me for some reason, but nothing you said contradicts anything I said, but does contradict the article's position. You're saying that the agencies will be just as competent, but wrongly directed under Trump, which I completely agree with. The article is whining that they won't be competently run, which is only a problem because of the assumption that their objectives would be good things. If that assumption isn't true (it isn't) and the things they're trying to do are bad, then it would obviously be better if they persued those objectives ineffectively, and the article would make no sense.

Gabbard is stunningly unqualified for almost any Cabinet post, but especially for ODNI. She has no qualifications as an intelligence professional—literally none. She has no significant experience directing or managing much of anything.

Any reasonable person on the left should recognize that an incompetent and unqualified person being in charge of Trump's spy network is the best case reasonable possibility. The idea of anyone claiming to be on the left clutching pearls about the intelligence community being incompetently run under Trump is completely absurd and laughable.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's only going to be incompetent at the objectives it had previously. It's assuming the objectives remain the same, which it won't. Their objectives are going to shift towards singularly targeting political enemies. I don't believe she'll be as incompetent as implied, because she has plenty of competent Trump sycophants willing to help out. She just needs to be there to ensure the goal is being persued. Even if she's a complete idiot (which she isn't) she doesn't need to do anything but enforce the agenda of the Trump administration.

She's going to be horrible for things like undermining Russian or Chinese power structures (which some may believe to be good or bad), but she's perfectly competent to allow others to persue leftists.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The only thing I disagree about is that persuing leftists is an objective they previously had. The intelligence community is, always has been, and always will be, an enemy.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

They persued other things too. Yes, the left as well, but it wasn't their only focus. You can be sure now it will be.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago) (1 children)

Boo hoo. I don't give a shit about protecting people who hate me or their agenda.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 minutes ago

Or anyone else but yourself I guess.

[–] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world 110 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The national security risk is why she was picked, hope that helps writers at the Atlantic.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

The national security risk is the one who picked her.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've listened to one of her Rogan podcasts. Hillary was absolutely right about her being a Russian puppet. T She parrots so much Russian propaganda it's asinine.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nope. They can't and won't.

Dumb fucking article asking for reason to the wrong crowd.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The Senate absolutely can stop her, if they choose to. They probably won't.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago

Some of them are talking publicly about Gaetz, so they might. Or, Trump might nominate so many other Russian assets that Gabbard looks goid in comparison and sneaks through. Or, recess might be called, allowing Trump to appoint his entire slate of doom with no opposition.

We’ll find out in February.

[–] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] lychee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

i promise im not defending protest or non voters (i need to specify this before im picked apart by a swarm of piranhas) but does no one realize that this massive rift in our social fabric is no longer just a political issue? would defeating trump this year have ended the rise of fascism? the intensifying hatred of minorities, the puritanism, the scapegoating, the violence? kicking the can down the road to 2028 would have accomplished nothing but delaying the inevitable.

if trumps GOP is using the rhetoric they use purely for the purposes of gaining power, had they not gained power in this election they would have just intensified their rhetoric even more and gained power in 2028 instead. these people are literally willing to destroy American society to enrich themselves and their friends.

i voted, you voted, pretty sure everyone on lemmy (worth acknowledging anyway) voted. it was with an empty feeling in my gut though because ballots just determine presidents, they are not a panacea

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 23 minutes ago

One of the goals of electing Harris was to delay fascism long enough for a populist like Bernie to hijack the Democratic Party and enact a progressive and socialist agenda. It would be a lot easier to run such candidates if Harris was in office than Trump. As it is we are counting on fascist incompetence to give us future elections and enough of a Democratic party left to co-opt.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago

Thanks regular voters too!

[–] Nougat@fedia.io -4 points 1 day ago

Is she the reincarnation of Aaron Burr?