FediLore + Fedidrama

They did exactly the same thing with Lemmy.nz, threw a shit fit and defederated, after a certain someone made a post suggesting we defederate them.

It was a very "you can't fire me, I quit" thing.

Ye, this thing keep happening. I was recently in a discussion where someone was accusing slrpnk of authoritarianism for blocking hexbear immediately and pointing to the various defed threads on hexbear and arguing therefore that hexbear is the example to follow for democratic decision taking.

Then an Hexbear admin unilaterally decided to defederate from jlai.lu claiming it had "reactionary" users and "no effort was made to address this" (no jlai.lu admin was contacted nor prompted about the existence of such users).

This is funny because it sort of mimics Russian, Chinese or North Korean politics to a degree as well. Everyone's authoritarian, fascists, Nazis - except for them, the beacon of democracy, freedom, and values.

It's interesting that they would accuse anyone if being authoritarian when their own ideology is distinctly authoritarian.

Thus they lied either way? Either preemptively to other admins or after being caught by their own - so whichever may be worse, it's still lying either way.

I honestly don't believe they actually lied. I think they were being earnest and only claimed they were being manipulative when caught by hexbears to save face.

Having read everything that's been linked here, I'm inclined to believe this.

This is the action which made you realize that they are operating in bad faith? Not... gestures wildly

It's of a piece with a lot of the behavior I see on Lemmy. It is, at the root, hostility to collaboration. It's the model where the person speaking is automatically right, and anyone who doesn't reach the same answers as them is an enemy who must be either corrected or defeated. Once you adopt that mindset, then of course lying to people to achieve that defeat is justified. After all, the people with the bad ideas are hurting everyone, on purpose, and they must be stopped. Reasonable conversation and argument doesn't enter into it, at that point.

The thing is, there's no single person who's got all the answers. There aren't any worldviews that apply correctly to all situations. Part of the idea of talking things out is that you can learn from others, detect missing pieces in your own thinking and correct them before they become too deeply ingrained into your worldview. I see way too many mods who think that their job is to remove the wrong ideas if someone "attacks" their community by posting them, or instance admins who think their job is to "wield" their instance against the people with the incorrect ideas. I think adding tribalism to the mix, allegiance to the other vegans or anarchists or whatever, just makes it ten times worse.

Even if the liberals or non-vegans, or whatever, are wrong, then the right answer is to talk with them. I understand that it might be difficult, because they might have the model that they have to defeat your incorrect worldview without listening to anything you're saying except to detect things they should disagree with, but for as long as that's your model on your side, you're doing something wrong, regardless.

I wonder what some other “bits” are.

Like a lot of other insular online communities, the humor has gone through multiple levels of "deep frying" that it becomes almost alien to an ousider looking in.

"SLA"? Service Level Agreement?

Tbf the emojis being giant was due to them running a modified version of Lemmy that allowed those but to themselves they appeared smaller (iirc?).

Though I definitely blocked the instance for those other two reasons - the toxicity of interactions and low quality of posts and comments.

You can do it now in PieFed, or some apps like Sync or Connect. Otherwise you can only block communities but not all users from an instance, short of becoming an admin yourself or moving to one that has done what you wanted to see done. More details in !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca.

I doubt we'll ever see it in Lemmy proper, especially as the protections that were offered in the past took so long to arrive and then were subsequently rolled back to become weaker - it's just not a priority for the admins who constantly ban others at the drop of a hat, but don't seem to want to build tools that allow the reverse.

The plot thickens lmao

They seem to have a really messed up line of reasoning, just the claim that it was all a ploy to manipulate other instance admins was insane

Of course the members of an extremist echochamber tend to usually be friendly towards each other. Makes it even more amusing when we see all hell breaking lose and the masks coming off.