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I flew for the first time on a plane last week and I've seen planes take off at the airport. It looks crazy. But being on one is totally different like holy shit. The thing just FLIES. It just.... Soars... Through the sky! Like whoa man. Wtf... It's crazy. With how much these things weigh, it's insane to me the thing can just go up and bam, there we are, we're flying now. Like wow... Dude crazy.

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[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You think that's crazy? The ship that blocked the Suez Canal, the Ever Given, has a ship displacement (how much water is displaced when it sits in the ocean) of 265,000 Tons.

That's 240 million kilograms.

And that shit just floats on fucking water maaaaan...

[–] repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Since when 1000kg is not equal to one tonne?

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There are tons of tons, believe it or not.

There's the short ton (2000lbs), long ton (2240 lbs), and tonne (1000kgs) which are all measure weight. However there's also the shipping/freight/ocean ton which is a measure of volume (which is also different in the US and UK), and the register ton.

However I did make a mistake. The wikipedia page I was reading said the weight in t and long tons. I made the mistake of assuming they meant short tons - in reality when measuring displacement for a ship, tonnes are used (which is pretty sensible, considering you're displacing water and a liter of water to a kilogram of water have a pretty easy conversion formula formula...)

I see, the common "Americans will use anything but SI", but in this case it's also the Brits lol

Thanks for explanation

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

This guy tons.

[–] beeple@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago

Ton (imperial) is 2000lb vs tonne (metric)

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Don't get them going about their crazy units!

[–] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dafuq is this!? Stress testing?

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

No, every once in a while the planes need to stretch out. They get tired from being so stiff. This helps their joints later in their life span.

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

Basically. The wings have to be able to bend that much so they don’t break off in strong winds or hard maneuvers.

[–] passiveaggressivesonar@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Airplane engines have deceptively high thrust, imagine each one as a rocket and it'll start to make sense. The a380 (the big double decker) each engine produces around 350KN. When that thrust is applied to an 80kg human they'll experience almost 450Gs of force

In an extreme sense, imagine putting a little rocket engine on a paper airplane which will represent a high thrust to weight ratio

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Your last description is essentially the idea behind the F-117a. That thing ~~isn't~~ wasn't flying, ~~it's~~ it was achieving escape velocity.

[–] ben_dover@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 days ago (5 children)

it works because we believe in it. if everyone would lose faith in airplanes, they'd drop out of the sky.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Can I just lose faith in the private jets?

[–] madelena@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

And will it fly higher if we have the Faith of the Heart?

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

I hate that everybody's like, it's not that big a deal.

We only started doing it 124 years ago! Prior to that it was a very big deal indeed.

Everyone's so fucking smart these days, there's no room for a sense of wonder. It's like being blasé and knowledgeable is cool. It's really not.

You keep flying with your beautiful sense of wonder, Buttflapper!

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't need ignorance to feel wonder. I think things are cooler when I can marvel at the complex mechanics behind it all.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

True. But I wasn't arguing that.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Some lady told me she read Atlas Shrugged while in the hospital for a long stay, kept alive by equipment she neither invented nor paid for. How oblivious people can be when we are all just barely something more than monkeys? Some of us manage to be passably unoblivious and I think that's what makes us human; the potential to be more rational than a monkey. It's no guarantee, though, as you so noted. You know there was a caveperson who just learned about fire and still went around and acted like he invented it straight up to the caveperson that did invent it. Monkey brain stuff.

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm a mechanical engineer and have a general understanding of how wings work. I've flown many times. That shit still feels like magic to me.

[–] SkyJuice@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was most impressed by the sheer amount of power those engines put out when you finally take off. The acceleration gave me a boost of adrenaline when I flew for the first time (it was a Southwest Boeing 737)

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

The 777 is 375-ish tons, and the A380 is 630-ish tons.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 89 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Wait until you find out about electricity! 🤯

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 53 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Computers is teachibg rocks to think

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 44 points 3 days ago (6 children)

We grow flawless crystals, slice them into perfect disks, engrave billions of arcane runes onto them with magical potions and rays of light, animate them with lightning, and make them do our bidding.

And then we give them an "intelligence" that can't even count the Rs in strawberry...

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[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And telephones! Even en old-school analogue phone is pretty amazing how sound becomes an electrical signal and then is converted back to sound at the other end.

Modern digital phones are just pure magic compared to analogue phones.

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[–] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I used to think so until I realised that air and water are both fluids, except air is thinner.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To be clear to anyone with minds being blown: air is gas and gas is a type of fluid. Water is liquid and liquid is also a type of fluid.

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

... gas is a type of fluid.

that goes a long way in explaining some of those farts.

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[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago

The wings are crazy ! They look way too flimsy for what they do.

Next time you see an airplane, imagine a crane picking it up by the wings, around the middle of the wing length, and then start shaking it up.

It does not look like the wing will be able to hold that much weight.

[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I still look up whenever u hear a plane fly over. Heavier than air travel is treated way to casually

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Consider the amount of air its wings must displace in order to stay aloft. An equal quantity of mass at least. It's passing through that air and, partly pushing it down, but also partially scraping it thin over the bowed top surface of the wing (the Bernoulli principle) which creates a pressure differential that lifts the wing, pulling it upward through suction, and thus the plane. That's why the plane must go fast to fly, and why it "stalls" and falls if it isn't moving through enough air. It's also how turbulence affects a plane. Differences in air pressure mean that in pockets of low pressure there isn't as much mass being displaced by the wings, not enough lift so it falls.

Now, it's quite likely that my layman's comprehension of this is flawed. But I'm sure it's entirely possible that someone will correct me soon :3

[–] NiHaDuncan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

To be pedantic: It’s not necessarily an equal amount of mass, it just has to accelerate (this includes deceleration which is acceleration opposing a component of a vector of travel) any amount of mass along and opposite to the vector of the plane’s acceleration due to gravity so long as the amount of mass (and the averaged amount of that mass’ acceleration in the aforementioned direction i.e. force) is in ratio with the planes mass and it’s acceleration due to gravity.

There’s a lot of other pedantic caveats but they’d make this comment far too long. The main thing I want to convey is that mass doesn’t necessarily matter but rather force (m*v) and also that the “suction” and thereby acceleration that a plane’s airfoil experiences is also it causing an acceleration on the air around it by decelerating it along the path that it wants to flow. It all depends on frame of reference.

I suck at explaining things, this video might do a better job at getting the idea across.

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[–] k0mprssd@lemmy.zip 33 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I know right.... the wings dont even flap!

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I find it equally neat how displacement allows a 100,000 ton ship to float.

As I'm sure most know, planes fly because of the angle of their wings and airframe shape (also known as an airfoil). As moving air flows over the wing it creates downward pressure, which, as a result of Newton's 3rd law (reaction to a force), allows moving air below to create lift. And upsy daisy she goes.

Science.

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

That lift explanation is innacurate/incomplete. While there may be some equal and opposite forces depending on the angle of attack, the primary reason for lift is due to Bernoulli's Principle. Airfoils have a rounded upper surface with a longer path for air to take, relative to the underside. This requires air to move at a higher velocity over the top, and since A1 x V1 x P1 = A2 x V2 x P2, pressure over the airfoil decreases. It is this pressure differential that creates lift.

In regards to aircraft, Newton's third law of motion applies to thrust from a propeller or jet engine.

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[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"It's just always exciting! That amazing moment when twelve tonnes of metal leaves the earth... and no-one knows why!"

"Yes, we do."

"Yeah, but, you know, not really. I mean, we know you need wings, and engines, and a sticky-up bit on the end for some reason, but it's not like we actually know why a plane stays in the air."

"No. No, Arthur, we really do! We- we do, we do know that!"

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It’s magical, right? It’s what got me interested in aviation - the physics, the science, the engineering to make it work. And we’ve gotten so good at it, air travel is now available to most people, it’s safe and convenient.

I’ve flown exactly three times in my life: a hot air balloon, a helicopter and a DC3. Each was magical in its own way. I’ve also done a fair bit of plane spotting. Seeing an Airbus A380 landing right in front of you is amazing. It really is the size of a large apartment block with wings. Truly awe inspiring.

Aviation is fucking awesome!

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[–] SonicBlue03@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Don't forget how high you get.

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[–] dudinax@programming.dev 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

An a380 is so big when it takes off it looks like it's moving slow, just kind of hanging in the air

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