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[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Is there also a face mask exception? They aren't handy for just pandemics.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago

Yes there is

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't know how I feel about this.

Which is worse, the government telling people that they can't wear certain clothes (and let's be real, at least some of the proponents of implementing this are doing it in an Islamophobic way), or allowing a practice that's clearly intended to cover women up and treat them as second class citizens within their Islamic culture?

Which is right? Which is wrong? I feel so conflicted about this.

I don't want the state dictating dress code, that's absolutely ludicrous, but I also don't want an oppressive sexist religion dictating that women need to cover up otherwise (ghasp!) a man might see their skin.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

i'd say that the better way to let women dress freely is working to get rid of the pressures on them in the first place, rather than forcing them to not dress a certain way in an attempt to give them choice in what to wear.

Yeah it's a lot harder than simply banning face coverings, but that's because it actually solves the problem rather than swiping it under the rug..

[–] lud@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That would be great, but how exactly? Banning religions that encourage/forces it?

The only reason I could see is to highly educate everyone but that's way easier said than done.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah but... how?

[–] geissi 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is also permitted for artistic and entertainment performances and for advertising purposes.

Ah they learned from the Austrians

[–] Successful_Try543 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Scarfs, costume masks and medical face masks are allowed in Austria too, but only under special circumstances, e.g. costumes are permitted only for "customs events" (Brauchtumsveranstaltungen) and thus are forbidden for everyday use. Verschleierungsverbot Γ–sterreich
However, you can get fined for wearing a scarf if the police officer perceives it to be not cold enough. https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/oesterreich-burkaverbot-trifft-maskottchen-und-radfahrer-1.3700378

[–] schlecknits 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Medical reasons to my knowledge is defined rather limited. There's an exception but in doubt you have to show a doctor's note saying that you need to wear a mask, otherwise you could be forced to unmask. So if you choose to do preventative masking but aren't ill yourself this isn't technically allowed - this isn't widely enforced, but still something that wasn't thought quite through.

[–] philpo 4 points 1 month ago

Oh,it was thought through very much by some... Some parts of the SVP are very happy about it...

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What if your identity as a furry? Obviously it covers your face, but it’s sort is like a costume. There are also furry conventions, so maybe that’s the sort of event/festival that would count as an exception.

[–] Successful_Try543 5 points 1 month ago

It's about covering your face in public, i.e. on the festival venue it would be O.K., in public transport possibly not.

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[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Non-European here. What's the purpose of bans like these? The obvious cause appears to be racism/Islamophobia, but is there something else?

[–] toothbrush@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You got it. Sometimes politicians say its for "security" so when someone is at a protest they can just arrest them just for wearing a mask.

[–] cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

that was covered by already existing laws afaik

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You call it islamophobia, some call it an effort to curb radicalisation

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yep, islamophobia. Our far right party passed it. They also passed a law banning minarets.

[–] federalreverse 1 points 1 month ago

Making video surveillance more effective is one.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

As a muslim, the book mentions covering up hair only. Face covering is never mentioned anywhere, and people using it are misinterpreting Quran.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But what about Covid masks? What if another pandemic happen?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That's called an "exception". Look it up.

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