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"Translation: all the times Tesla has vowed that all of its vehicles would soon be capable of fully driving themselves may have been a convenient act of salesmanship that ultimately turned out not to be true."

Another way to say that, is Tesla scammed all of their customers, since you know, everyone saw this coming...

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[–] aramis87@fedia.io 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can't help but think he's saying this now as an attempt to distract from the stories of "Musk has been talking to Putin since the spring when they were both faced with problems: Musk being forced to buy Xitter and Putin unable to steal Ukraine. Odd how Musk has been becoming more rabidly pro-Russian-interests, isn't it?

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I rather think he’s trying to tank the Tesla stock price lately. No idea why though.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

He wants in on the new authoritarian regime. Slowing down or stopping electric cars is on their to do list.

[–] bender223@lemmy.today 14 points 2 days ago

Wow, what a genius!

/s

[–] Throw_away_migrator@lemmy.world 69 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Translation: all the times Tesla has vowed that all of its vehicles would soon be capable of fully driving themselves may have been a convenient act of salesmanship that ultimately turned out not to be true."

There's a word for that already. Lied. They/He lied.

No need for 30 words when 2 will do.

They Lied.

[–] bad_alloc@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Maybe one extra world: They lied maliciously.

Also, they did so repeatedly, over a very long time and while it must have been fully apparent with insider knowledge that this setup cannot work.

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[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 179 points 3 days ago (15 children)
[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech 84 points 3 days ago

"Trust me, you just need to buy more compute for your car. We'll figure out reliable driving by sight someday."

[–] aaron@lemm.ee 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Elon Musks make engineering orders of magnitude more difficult. Those poor Tesla neoslaves

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

They were on the path of self driving cars till Musk pulled the plug on the LiDAR and opted for cameras (cost less). He is directly responsible for why autopilot isn’t so auto.

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[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

It’s got something way better: LieAr

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[–] Atom@lemmy.world 143 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (24 children)

First, let me clarify I bought my Tesla used, before Musk went full fascist, and autopilot came free. The car was updated to the newest hardware for free, since the original FSD equipment couldn't do it either.

That out of the way, FSD sucks, and it's getting worse, not better. When if first come out of beta it was okay. I remember describing it as driving with a teenager, they got the general idea, but would make bad decisions so you had to watch them. Years of updates later and it's practically unusable to me. It tries to go way under or over the speed limit, it hesitates or slams on the brakes for green lights. It slams on the brakes for cars that pull out with plenty of gap but doesn't even notice the risky merges. It can not seem to navigate intersections anymore, damn near stopping in the middle of a turn. It actually just updated yesterday and I tried it again, it took me less than 5 miles to disable it again. It is, in my opinion, a hazard to use. I talked to my partner about it and we both agree it didn't used to be this bad.

Anyway, the stupidest part of all this, is they changed it so it's either full self driving all the time or not. You want cruise while you're in traffic because you know it'll try to cut in front of someone? Silly idiot, no you don't. So you now have to have a second profile* for cruise control and lane keep without FSD. And the odd thing is that lane keep and cruise are fine. They function like FSD used to. They can drive the highway with no problem and trust me, I do not have much faith in the car so I'm watching it close. It can't navigate city streets, but neither can FSD....

TLDR, my car was a better deal for me than Tesla. After years of FSD access, it's bad and getting worse, not better. I can't believe people pay 5 figures for it and maybe that's why they feel the need to clip perfect drives or defend it.

[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 79 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I think car automation peaked at adaptive cruise control. It's a simple tractable problem that's generally well confined and improves the drivers ability to concentrate on other road risks.

[–] Atom@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I agree with that. Adaptive cruise and lane keep do reduce road trip fatigue in my experience. Tesla-bros bought the idea that this would be a fully autonomous car and it's not. Rather than learning their lesson and using it as a tool, they put their faith in it anyway, weighting the wheel or whatever to get what they paid for regardless of what the car can reliably do.

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[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I agree. VWs' drive assists are absolutely stellar. It's just line assist, speed limit recognition with cruise control and active distance assist, that's essentially it. It's not FSD but on the highway it almost feels like it. I was very skeptical and distrusted the sensors at first because my previous car had none of that, but after a while I got very comfortable with them.
I can even safely get something out of my bag on the passenger seat without worrying that the car is going to fly of the road if I take my eyes of it for a second.

The only thing that kind of annoys me, but that goes for all line assists, is that they don't seem to follow a center line between the road markings, rather they bounce around inside a "zone" with margins left and right.
So if you are on the inside of your "zone" and approach a sharp turn, the car enters the outside margin at a fairly steep angle and often skims the outside road markings before bouncing back. It just feels like the assist is on a constant rubber band, so I don't really trust it with high speed turns.

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[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

That out of the way, FSD sucks, and it's getting worse, not better.

It's almost like they bet on the AI to teach the AI, rather than continuing to pay for skilled engineers.

Buckle up folks, we're going to see a lot more of this, across every industry, before the lawsuits go into high gear and anything gets better.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 101 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He and Trump deserve each other.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 87 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I think his intense commitment to getting Trump elected makes more sense when you consider this article.

His enormous wealth is largely stored in the form of Tesla stock, and that stock has been valued based on the belief that it isn't a car company, it's a robotaxi service currently selling the hardware to finance the software development. The value -- and his wealth -- can persist indefinitely as long as investors continue to accept that premise, no matter how long delayed. But if something tangibly undermines that premise, Musk could conceivably lose the majority of his wealth overnight.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Agency is probably the greatest threat to his wealth. He doesn't worry about competitors or protestors or Twitter users or advertisers. They're all just petty nuisances. But the federal regulator over roads... that is his proverbial killer snail. And I think fully capturing the entire federal regulatory state is his strategy to permanently confine that snail.

More than anything else, I think that's what is motivating his radical embrace of fascism.

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[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Sometimes I'm reminded that there's always a chance that they go submarine diving or some such with another overconfident crony who thinks their skills got them where they are today.

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

I would like them to try to go to Mars this coming January. I am sure with enough fuel one of Elons rockets can get it moving in the right direction, they can wing everything else as they go.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Took my first drive as a passenger in a FSD Tesla the other day. I was rapidly underwhelmed. I mean, yeah...it's pretty cool the car drives itself, to an extent. But even as a passenger I was struck by the number of times I would have taken the wheel and made the car do what it was supposed to. Hesitant pulling forward to turn, hesitant pulling out into traffic after a turn, wrong speed for the road, abrupt turns... Did it get us there? Sure. Did it do a good job? Mid at best. Probably better as an anti-fatigue measure on highway drives instead of taking you places in town. I would not pay for FSD were I to own a Tesla...at least it seems really inappropriate for the kind of driving I do.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's funny because what you describe is way BETTER than I would have expected. LOL.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It's only killed a few people recently, so I assume it has to work pretty well at least 99% of the time. Though it's really funny watching tech bros talk about how great it is and then seeing it blow a stop sign.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 82 points 3 days ago

Oh, so it turns out that "genius billionaires" only exist in comic books?

Nobody could have seen that one coming!

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Never buy a product for a non existent feature that’s promised in update.

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[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 94 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can't wait for the supporters to come out and gas light buyers instead: "uh, well of course they couldn't. He didn't lie you just don't understand tech...!

I work in IT and people that think like that can fuck themselves. "What do you mean Meta lied by selling your data to a company you didn't know about. Maybe you should just have never trusted Meta."

Stupid fucking boot lickers.

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[–] pubquiz@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is the epitome of American "ingenuity" as it promises, promises, promises, and no-one ever actually delivers.

Just. Like. Trump.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Trump is the most American president we've ever had.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This smacks of the hyperloop, a false product offered to suppress support of other competing products.

Id est, a high-capital entity using their power to suppress competiton for smaller (more sincere) interests.

[–] Tamo240@programming.dev 12 points 3 days ago

This 100%, too many musk fanboys don't understand how much he is actually hindering innovation.

Even at SpaceX they make more progress when he isn't involved.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

He realizes this every couple of years and then he forgets again during the next shareholders meeting

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 days ago

Lying liar lied. News at 11.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago (6 children)

salesmanship

You mean false advertisement

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 40 points 3 days ago

Worse than that. Fraud. He's scammed people out of millions.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 21 points 3 days ago

Or just fraud

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

This was the inevitable result even years ago. When self-driving cars were the hot topic and several companies were doing their own thing, that's when it should have been obvious it was never going to happen. It's not a problem any one independent company was ever going to solve, especially quickly. For to work it would have to be an open source, global standard with several companies working together.

I mean you'd have to build out a massive amount of infrastructure to further support it. All vehicles would have to have a module in it that would communicate with everything else around it, regardless if it was self-driving or not. There can't be a premium model, or a subscription, ect., it would need to just be there and work.

The overall task to get this done was never going to be quick, easy, or cheap. This was always going to be bigger than any one single company and a handful of engineers. It's going to take the effort of many companies and governments all working selflessly.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Yup this is his copout so he doesn't have to produce an entry level vehicle all while cozying up to Trump so he doesn't have to compete with the rest of the world on EVs

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Maybe he shouldn't have called it "autopilot."

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[–] aniki@lemmings.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

My Leaf can handle itself on the highway and it's the perfect amount of self driving that I want. I also didn't need to pay half the price of the leaf for the privilege.

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