The justice department have become such pussies that I'm wondering what incorrect thing caused this correct level of sentencing to happen. Did he protest the genocide of Palestinians during his trial?
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He's a conservative hero. The next Republicunt president will pardon him and he will be treated like a star on the conservative talkshow guest circuit.
“This is a man who has always been a peaceful, law-abiding person up until his activation,” Lipson said.
When given the chance to address the court before his sentencing, DePape, dressed in prison orange and with his brown hair in a ponytail, spoke at length about September 11 being an inside job, his ex-wife being replaced by a body double, and his government-provided attorneys conspiring against him.
“I’m a psychic,” DePape told the court, reading from sheets of paper. “The more I meditate, the more psychic I get.”
And the attorney wants them to reconsider the sentence? Sounds like he needs some serious therapy, and institutionalized, not let out.
“This is a man who has always been a peaceful, law-abiding person up until his activation,” Lipson said.
Oh fuck all the way off, asshole. His brain was rotted from right-wing media- there was no secret hidden sub-programming which could be turned on with a code word.
Also, fuck you again. Everyone is a peaceful, law-abiding person until they decide to break the law.
Until they're caught breaking the law, anyway.
Did they not try an insanity defense? He must have been declared competent, I guess.
My understanding is that insanity defense has a very high bar, beyond what the public would commonly consider "crazy", so it's not actually something that happens often. And even then, actually getting out of whatever institution you're remanded to isn't guaranteed.
I dont want to armchair assess too much, but reading a statement that involves your psychic powers, assuming that's real, the guy is not mentally fit.
You have to be completely divorced from reality and really have no idea what you’re doing. This guy is a kook but knew that hitting old people with hammers is bad.
I agree that the man is clearly off his rocker, but from a legal perspective, what matters is whether or not you understand that you have, in fact, killed a dude, and that this is in fact a bad thing. Having voices in your head telling you to do it is a completely separate issue. Again, this is my understanding as a layman, so any actual lawyers please feel free to tell me I'm full of shit.
Probably if he ever sought help. He was married at one point. Did it come up in the divorce? All these things can be a factor from my understanding.
Just think, voting for Trump means you’re voting in a pardon for this guy.
Life sentence is from the state charges. President can’t pardon that. But, yeah, he’ll pardon the federal charges if he gets the chance.
Will he? He said he'd pardon a lot of people when he was still able and never did. He only cares about people with power or fame, not nobodies like this guy.
I guess it depends on whether he needs to rile his base. The GOP already has them frothing at the name “Pelosi”. He might do it as an intimidation tactic. Hopefully, we never find out because he never gets the chance.
That does not sound real. If a presidential power to pardon is unlimited except in the case of impeachment, why would that matter? Even Congress can’t stop it.
Because it's unlimited for federal crimes only.
@athairmor@lemmy.world is right; presidents cannot pardon state level crimes: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-3-1/ALDE_00013316/
Specifically, the offense must be “against the United States”, and state level offenses are only against the respective state, not the United States.
Bye asshole!
Prison-as-a-mental-healthcare-system should not exist. Of course, that would require leadership that is neither conservative nor neoliberal.
How long before Trump calls him a patriot and a political prisoner?
My mind hadn't even gone here yet, so I wasn't ready, and I was appalled rather than just being quietly furious with certainty that this will happen, probably tomorrow.
Good riddance.
Taste the hammer of justice, scum.
Hammer time!
ITT: "Leftists" who love the police state and draconian punishments.
A life sentence for attempted 1st degree murder isn't draconian. What would you have us do, set him free?
I don't know, I ain't no huge fan of the "law and order" types. But cracking an 80something year old dude in the head with a hammer is pretty fucked up.
The comments here are pretty gross. This guy needs help, instead you're happy to send him to the corrupt American prison system for the rest of his life. Please stop bootlicking and start caring for people.
I also despise the prison industrial complex and prefer rehabilitation over punishment, but there's a point where losses need to be cut.
He doesn't seem remorseful, and he's not going to seek help when he believes he is justified in beating an elderly man with a hammer. At that point, what options are left? it's immoral to involuntarily institutionalize and forcibly medicate individuals, and even if it wasn't, that's a slippery slope you don't want to go down.
Why do you think it's immoral to involuntarily institutionalize but moral to lock them in a jail cell?
I never said that was moral either. I hold the stance that, despite the utter lack of most freedoms, at least you get to maintain some semblance of bodily autonomy while in prison.
On the other hand, forced institutionalization with involuntarily sedation and/or medication is directly violating bodily autonomy. We don't need to return to the days of deciding to "fix" people without their permission like we used to with transorbital lobotomies.
I don't know why you think there's more autonomy in a mental institution than prison, or why you keep bringing up forcing drugs and surgery on people like that's the only way to help people with mental health issues. Your stance is still not making sense from a moral standpoint.
Mental illness treatment and rehabilitation is the path forward, but it's not a one-size-fits all solution. I was more direct about this in my other comments: What do you do with people who don't want help and actively refuse to be rehabilitated?
Practically speaking:
You can't reintegrate them into society as they are.
You can't ship them off to an island in the southern hemisphere and wash your hands of them.
Morally speaking:
You can't execute them.
You can't lock them up.
You can't treat them against their will.
What now?
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The American prison industrial complex is a privatized slavery-for-profit feedback loop, yes. It's an atrocity that needs to be dismantled and replaced with a justice system with rehabilitation and reparation as its core tenets. But, the inevitable truth is that either prisons must exist in some form as the lesser of many evils, or you voluntarily choose to repeat the atrocities of our past.
I'm not arguing against treating and rehabiliting people who have made mistakes. I'm arguing that championing it as the solution to prisons is either an overly-optimistic pipedream, or a hypocritical display of indifference to the idea of involiable bodily autonomy.
I also despise the prison industrial complex and prefer rehabilitation over punishment
Uh huh. Sure. Let's find out how much.
but there's a point where losses need to be cut.
Ah, the answer was "not at all".
He doesn't seem remorseful, and he's not going to seek help when he believes he is justified in beating an elderly man with a hammer.
Okay.
At that point, what options are left?
Rehabilitation? Mental health care? All of the things that European countries do better than us?
it's immoral to involuntarily institutionalize and forcibly medicate individuals
But somehow in your book it's perfectly moral to lock them in a cage until they die? I'd take medication and institutionalization over being tortured to death any day.
and even if it wasn't, that's a slippery slope you don't want to go down.
Ah yes, the slippery slope of not throwing people away like pieces of trash. Would hate to fall down that one... /s
Rehabilitation and mental health care are only effective when the individual is receptive to it. This guy is brainwashed, but let's imagine that's just the tip of the iceberg: what if it's just a symptom of a greater issue like psychopathy, and he just doesn't want to be rehabilitated.
What, then? Let him have the chance to convince others going through their own rehabilitation to join the q-ult? Keep dragging him to appointments where he does nothing but reinforce his own delusions of grandeur? Forcefully sedate him? Put him in a straightjacket and padded cell, causing maddening isolation? Give him a fucking lobotomy against his will?
The world isn't sunshine and rainbows. Prison is a shit option, but it's a hell of a lot better than being rehabilitated by firing squad or 1940s quack medical procedures.
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