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[–] twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Kinda weird to isolate Polish when Hungarian, Finnish and Basque are actually all their own distinct language families.

Polish actually isn't in a distinct language family and shares a lot with other western Slavic languages like Czech, and Slavic languages in general.

[–] Redfox8@mander.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, my first thought was, isn't Hungarian far more complex/different. Also, Icelandic is meant to be very difficult to learn too!

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Maybe it's because it was in the same language group as those others that polish got singled out. People who speak an Indo European language will expect to be lost when first trying to learn a language outside of the group, but might not expect to be so confuddled from a related language. Expectations basically.

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz z Chrząszczyżewoszyce powiat Łękołody.

[–] spamspeicher 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Did you see all the Zs in there? They're obviously talking in their sleep.

[–] TAG@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Polish is a Slavic language written out using Latin letters.

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Would be so much shorter with a щ

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 217 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Be Polish. Live at the crossroads of three major continental zones. Incorporates traditions from Arabic, Latin, and Nordic languages into a unique synthesis. Everybody hates it. Nobody wants to speak it.

Be English. Live at the ass end of nowhere, and become a haven for vagrants, dissidents, pirates, and exiles. Incorporate traditions from Latin, Germanic, and Frankish languages into a unique synthesis. Everyone hates it. Nobody wants to speak it. Become worlds most spoken language anyway.

Moral of the story. People will have to learn your shitty incoherent language if you build a big enough navy.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 days ago

Be Lithuanian. Get culturally dominated by Poland. Refuse to speak Polish anyway. Refuse influence from any language. Remove loan words, replace them with newly made Baltic sounding ones. End up impossible to learn.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (4 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (4 children)

glances at who builds all the processors and hardware components

Time to start learning Chinese and/or Korean.

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[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

Doesn't Lithuanian have tonal components? That has to be worst then Polish.

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 21 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I don't think you could get the speakers of all the European languages to agree on which one is normal.

but we can all agree hungarian isn't

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Sure you can everyone in france know theirs is the only real language. Don't believe me? Just ask someone from france.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

You could if we had won. /s

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It has to be French right?

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Inappropriate use of vowels, 10 yard penalty for the defense

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

10 yard penalty for the defense

We don't know what that means. Can you please talk european?

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Parce-que non, s'il vous plait, je ne parle pas francais

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

Omelette ~~du~~ au fromage.

[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Me, a non European who only speaks english, so true

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[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We used to have a server at my university which a polish guy set up. It received the name brzeczyszczykiewich. We decided that the server was secure enough by name, so we only put a trivial password on it for remote connection.

[–] MrKurteous@feddit.nu 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Are you sure it wasn't "brzeczyszczykiewicz" (difference in last two letters)? Otherwise it seems like a little typo, which, to be fair, would be a good idea to keep it safe from Polish people haha

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

I'm completely sure, like 100%, fully positive without a single doubt... that I misspelled it and I would never be able to access the server again.

[–] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can we also get some translation or something. This might shock you, but not all of us are polish.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago

There is no translation, it's just a hard to pronounce Polish surname.

Whew. Good. I thought it was just me.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hungarian and Finnish have entered the chat

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Have you ever seen transcribed Georgian?

[–] Ezek@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I remember some video where somebody was showing an example of either a word or a sentence & showed: "mbrtskvni"

this language would make you think they have to pay a fee for using vowels

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (25 children)

The orthography is OK. It spams ⟨z⟩ for the same reason why Romance and Germanic languages spam ⟨h⟩ - too few letters, too many sounds, got to use digraphs.

The phonetic and phonemic part is like your typical European language. As in, "WE NEED A NEW SOUND! OTHERWISE WE CAN'T REPRESENT THE KITCHEN SINK DRIPPING!!!!"

The morphology is complicated, but the alternative is to make the syntax become a hellish mess. Like Mandarin or English. Language is complicated, no matter which one.

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[–] MrSilkworm@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

*cries at Greek

[–] harcesz@szmer.info 16 points 3 days ago

This is outrageous! I will call all users of our Polish instance "SZMER" to... OK, I might be getting your point.

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

Bezwzględny Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz wyruszył ze Szczebrzeszyna przez Szymankowszczyznę do Pszczyny. I choć nieraz zalewała go żółć, niepomny następstw znalazł ostatecznie szczęście w źdźble trawy.

EDIT: copy/pasted from somewhere, this looks incredible to pronounce! The only polish word I know is kurwa, and Zubrowka.

[–] coffee_whatever@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The only polish word I know is kurwa, and Zubrowka.

You're right, you know just one word in Polish, because it's Żubrówka you filthy peasant.

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[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago

Like a cat dancing on a keyboard.

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I feel like we'd all be much more on board with this if Poland wasn't in the shadow of Hungary right next door looking like somebody's cat had a serious episode on top of a keyboard.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ä, ö, ü, am i a joke to you?

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Ä, ö, ü, õ, š, ž are just there to allow for phonemic ortography, biatch!

Though then again, I'm fairly sure that the weird Polish letters.

Also if your native tongue DOES have phonemic ortography.... Well guess how difficult it was for 6 year old me in Estonia to start learning English where the words are clearly not written the same way they're spoken????

It gets worse hearing older people here speak English because most of them did NOT start learning the language at age 5 or 6 so uhhhh... Yeah they expect the words to be pronounced the way they're spelled. Makes your ears bleed.

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[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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