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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Truly a Sophie's Choice for centrists. On the one hand fascism, but on the other what they believe is somewhat inefficient economics and unnecessary social rights. It must be agonizing for them.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Should I watch Sophie's Choice?

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes it’s great film about moral issues forced upon us through life. It’s about facing shit that wasn’t up to you. Shit that has no “good” resolution. Shit that represents all the hardship and problems that go unspoken until there isn’t another option.

It’s not a causal, easy watch. But yea watch it and be better off. We are all better off if more people watch it.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I know it as a book. I think I saw the movie once, but wasn't impressed. The book is a very good introduction to philosophy.

Edit: I just realized that I was talking about "Sophie's world", not "Sophie's choice" so ignore my comment.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago

I don't know, I've never seen it.

[–] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So everything now hinges on centrists and "moderate" conservatives not supporting fascists?

Terrific! It's not like that has ever happened before

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Not left, not right but ~~center~~ somehow ever farther right.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 38 points 1 month ago

Weimar Republic vibes. Will conservatives think they can control fascists and that they "won't be that bad"? Hopefully they come to their senses, but I'm not holding my breath.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean that was the point of Macron's gambit. Don't let it wait. Strike while you've still got a chance instead of dragging out a loss. Its going to be interesting to find out if this works.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Macron destroyed the traditional two parties by doing exactly this. Scaring voters away from the two extremes by monopolising the moderate voices. Only opposition becomes extreme idiots

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Thats wrong. Macron could not do any of this even if he wanted. Polarization is related to the instability of a regime. Capitalism is in deep crisis and the extreme positions start growing, while center positions become weaker until they cease to have any meaningfull existence. Its also naive to think that you can go back to when centrism was viable. Its not a matter of liking it or not, its how it works. Macron isnt dictating how history progress, its history that will do a driveby over Macron

[–] Pancito@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Capitalism IS the crises

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Macron was the centrist alternative last time around. He eroded his support by the way he conducted the country, foremost by how he unilaterally pushed retirement legislation through against the will of the parliament.

So he had a hand in undermining the centrist position so in a way he did dictate historical progress.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And he did it for personal reasons or because french capitalism needed it?

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 1 month ago

That's besides the point. I do personally think that reform was necessary, but his action opened up a can of worms if the RN ever gets to deliver a presidency.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Repressions for the people or slight inconveniences for the rich.

They’re gonna choose the people, aren’t they?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

.... aren't they? 😐

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is there a chance Macron would lean towards the FN? My impression was that even the conservatives are slightly reluctant to be associated with racists like that.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 9 points 1 month ago

I would love to hear what's going on from the perspective of centrist living in France right now (as opposed to what the media says).

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In the words of Childish Gambino, This Is America.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In the words of Smash Mouth, "I need to get myself away from this place."

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

In the words of Shrek and to the far right: "Get out of my ~~Swamp~~ France!"

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'd have gone with Eric Burdon